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Documentation for BL
| rindolf | buu: do you have a working manual of BL? |
| rindolf | s/working/up-to-date/ |
| buu | It's kind of sort of up to date |
| perlygatekeeper | he means NO |
| buu | I've got some docs! |
| rindolf | buu: do you have a functional spec? An architecture document? An interface whitepaper? A developer's guide? A user manual? A "The BL-Book" and "BL - The Program"? |
| buu | rindolf: no, no, no no and no |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Discussing the merits of documenting one's pet languages on #perl |
Did anybody see my newline at Freenode's #perl channel.
| rindolf | sleeper: why are people obsessed with one-liners? |
| rindolf | It takes 3 lines - OMG what a disaster! |
| Botje | rindolf: newline prices went up again |
| rindolf | Botje: I buy my newlines in the black market |
| dabreegster | Botje: again? drat. |
| * Botje | reports rindolf to the newline police |
| dabreegster | Botje: I know about an... (underground) operation going on to pirate newlines. |
| rindolf | Botje: I bribed a few cops in the newline police, but nice try. |
| dabreegster | Botje: Some crazy guys are trying to free newlines from patents! They want to rid the market! |
| * cursor | gets called up to serve in the newline jury |
| rindolf | I think we need to start a campaign to lift all restrictions off newlines. |
| dabreegster | rindolf: La Resistance lives on!\n |
| Botje | I already stockpiled millions of newlines |
| dabreegster | Botje: We can have the one-liners destroyed by sundown |
| dabreegster | Not destroyed, but... TURNED INTO TWO-LINERS! Mwuhahaha! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Cost of Newlines |
Verbing the verb on Freenode's #perl
| * buu | Stevie[FP] with a plunger. |
| * Stevie[FP] | looks for the verb in that sentence |
| sili | i think you're missing a verb |
| Stevie[FP] | I think he's missing a brain. |
| sili | unless Stevie[FP] is a verb i don't know |
| sili | Stevie[FP]: v. see Stevie[FP] |
| Stevie[FP] | I am not a verb! |
| sili | you've been verbatized |
| * rindolf | Stevie[FP]'s Chris62vw |
| Stevie[FP] | verbalized? |
| rindolf | Stevie[FP]: verbalized is a different thing. |
| rindolf | Stevie[FP]: it comes from "verbal". |
| Stevie[FP] | Verbified. |
| Stevie[FP] | Verbiated. |
| rindolf | stefan: verbificated. |
| Botje | verbed. |
| Stevie[FP] | Verberated. |
| rindolf | Stevie[FP]: verberation is overrated. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Verbing the Verb |
Human XML
| BarnacleBob | i hate xml..... |
| mcrawfor | <response to="BarnacleBob">indeed</response> |
| rindolf | mcrawfor: :-) |
| rindolf | mcrawfor++ # Nice joke |
| Botje | ehm. ouch. |
| Botje | rindolf: no! |
| Botje | <postincrement comment="Nice joke">mcrawfor</postincrement> |
| rindolf | Botje: LOL. |
| rindolf | <postincrement comment="As you wish">Botje</postincrement> |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Human XML |
/me (or I, you or we) is finding it amusing on Freenode's #perl.
| * __you | fart |
| * __you | say "oops" |
| rindolf | __you: heh |
| * __you | kick rindolf |
| __you | (rindolf, you're now being kicked by 435 people) |
| squeeks | __you need to go outside. |
| kspath | __you: Who owns you? |
| * __you | go outside |
| * __you | are pwned by dazjorz |
| * __you | is now known as we |
| * we | are having a useless off-topic conversation right now |
| rindolf | we: hahah |
| * we | we is now known as __you |
| * __you | decide this channel is now useless and decide to leave |
| * simcop2387 | is now known as we |
| * we | are not amused |
| * __you | and I are together simcop2387 |
| * squeeks | is now known as _I_ |
| * _I_ | need to tell __you something |
| * __you | listen |
| * simcop2387 | is now known as we |
| * we | need help |
| * _I_ | think we are getting a bit sick of the shenanigans |
| rindolf | I'm so making a fortune out of it. |
| * we | want to be on bash.org |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | /me (or I, you or we) is finding it amusing |
Multi-linguality
| spyro_boy | Oh! I fixed it :D |
| spyro_boy | Yay :D |
| rindolf | spyro_boy: congrats! |
| spyro_boy | Thanks for your help, everyone. :) |
| rindolf | spyro_boy: now you should translate this script to O'Caml, Haskell, Perl 6. |
| spyro_boy | rindolf, huh? |
| rindolf | spyro_boy: Smalltalk, C, C++, Visual Basic... |
| spyro_boy | rindolf, translate to what? |
| rindolf | spyro_boy: to all these programming languages. |
| spyro_boy | haha |
| spyro_boy | rindolf, yeah. |
| rindolf | Because a script in perl is Not Enough<tm>. |
| rindolf | spyro_boy: but see the Great Computer Language Shootout. |
| spyro_boy | rindolf, I tried learning C,C++, and Java, but I couldn't catch on. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Mulit-linguality |
Chuck Norris and Perl 6
| rindolf | wankit |
| buubot | Perl 6, unlike most people, is able to breathe in the vacuum of space. In fact, anything else would damage its respiratory system. Because of this, whenever it's visiting Earth, it wears a respirator, which resembles a kickass beard. |
| rindolf | Heh heh. |
| rindolf | Are all of buubot's wankit factoids about Perl 6? |
| rindolf | He should have some about Chuck Norris, too. |
| merlyn | fictional factoids about a partially designed, partially implemented, partially wanted language. :) |
| rindolf | merlyn: yeah. |
| merlyn | Heh - those are all Chuck Norris quotes with s/Chuck/P6/ |
| dabreegster | rindolf: It's written in Chuck Norris, right |
| merlyn | Chuck Norris writes code in Perl 6. Before Larry's done. And it works. |
| rindolf | merlyn: Chuck Norris wrote Perl 6 in a day but then destroyed all evidence with his bare hands, so no one will know his secrets. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Chuck Norris and Perl 6 |
Is a Life Ready for Prime Time?
| rindolf | LeoNerd: I need to get a life. |
| LeoNerd | They can be quite useful, but they do have a crazy amount of dependencies.. |
| LeoNerd | And sometimes they can be a bit unstable - I think they're still beta-testing |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Is a Life Ready for Prime Time |
#perl for Elisabeth
| simcop2387 | Daveman: i use a ZED PEE EM to power my computer, its the ultimate YOU PEE ES |
| * Daveman | throws an Elisabeth at Simcop |
| rindolf | Me catches the Elisabeth in mid-air. |
| SubStack | with an s, excellent choice |
| Daveman | :o |
| Daveman | Interception! |
| rindolf | Daveman: when my friend and I played Frisbee, we had an intra-tree move. |
| * SubStack | pirates Elisabeth and seeds a torrent |
| rindolf | Which was unintended. |
| rindolf | Elisabeth: are you here? |
| Daveman | HAHAHAHHA |
| Daveman | Substack++ |
| * SubStack | wins at life. |
| rindolf | An Elisabeth for all! And all for an Elisabeth. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | #perl for Elisabeth |
Books for Learning Perl
| Alexi5 | what is a good book for getting up to speed with perl? |
| merlyn | learning perl! |
| merlyn | intermediate perl! |
| nachos_ | the camel is the _only book_ |
| nachos_ | :-P |
| * merlyn | bats nachos silly |
| nachos_ | :-( |
| rindolf | Alexi5: there's also Beginning Perl, which is available online. |
| * f00li5h | saw that coming |
| rindolf | You should learn Perl from "Learning Perl in 24 minutes Unleashed!" |
| f00li5h | rindolf: ``Learning perl in 24 minutes Unleashed, in a nutshell for dummies'' is the one i have |
| rindolf | f00li5h: that's even better. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Books for Learning Perl |
Discussing Vintage Hypertext on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | Are you using Firefox? |
| Imaginativeone | yeah... |
| rindolf | Interesting... |
| rindolf | Don't know. |
| [x86] | use a real browser... you know... like IE! |
| * [x86] | runs |
| infi | IE 3 > * |
| rindolf | IE 2 > * |
| infi | gopher! |
| infi | firefox can actually do gopher URLs |
| rindolf | GNU info! |
| infi | feh. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Vintage Hypertext |
Free as in what?
| rindolf | ofer0: what's up? |
| ofer0 | rindolf, nothing much. what's with you? |
| rindolf | ofer0: I restored my fonts to my nouveau-enabled X server. |
| jagerman | What is nouveau? |
| ofer0 | jagerman, "new" in french ? |
| jagerman | Yes, I know it's a word, but what is the nouveau rindolf is talking about? |
| ofer0 | I have no idea. rindolf ? |
| rindolf | jagerman, ofer0: it's the free-as-in-speech Nvidia drivers. |
| dmq | jagerman++ (Yes i know its a word). |
| pkrumins | free as in freedom |
| nainef | free as in richard stallman? |
| ofer0 | free as in free Microsoft Windows Vista CDs |
| nainef | lol |
| pkrumins | vista-- |
| ofer0 | "What do you mean? Windows XP isn't free?" -- My neighbour. |
| Ikarus | ofer0: sounds familiar |
| ofer0 | (when telling him that I can't format his hard-drive and re-install XP because he doesn't own a license) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Free as in what? |
The Only Programming Language
| rindolf | This reminds me of a fun discussion I had with my co-worker. |
| rindolf | He had a Firefox window open with an ActiveState page and I read "Perl, PHP, Python, Tcl, XSLT". |
| rindolf | So he said: "Heresy! C is the only language." |
| rindolf | So I thought for a moment and said "Intercal is the only language." |
| nanonyme | lol |
| rindolf | And then "Real men write in Intercal." |
| rindolf | "COME FROM" anyone? |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Only Programming Language |
Misleading Textbooks about Perl
| rindolf | mortal5: you need to print the header. |
| rindolf | mortal5: print header() |
| mortal5 | rindolf, ...I absolutely love it when my textbook leads me wrong.. |
| rindolf | mortal5: what is your textbook? |
| mortal5 | "web wizards guide to perl and cgi" |
| mortal5 | lol |
| mortal5 | only the finest for the students at my university |
| buu | Hahaha |
| buu | That's awesome. |
| cfedde | Is this what we're teacing these days? Oh my. |
| somian | Blows the mind, doesn't it cfedde! |
| cfedde | somian: it does. |
| cfedde | I suppose that I'm commenting out of context. but why the mix and match. |
| f3ew | What mind? |
| cfedde | yours, with this .48 |
| * somian | sends in CSI las vegas to clean up |
| rindolf | mortal5: what is your university? |
| mortal5 | rindolf, I'm too ashamed to tell :p |
| rindolf | mortal5: heh. |
| rindolf | mortal5: is it bad? |
| mortal5 | rindolf, no not really, we have a fairly well known cs dept |
| somian | Just so long as it isn't SUNY@BUFFALO |
| mortal5 | it's just the teacher i'm using, she's a total flake |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Misleading Textbooks about Perl |
Perl, dongs and everything between on Freenode's #perl
| * CPAN | rating: Net-DNS-Check rated 4 stars by Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason |
| rindolf | Oooh! avar has rated a module. |
| somian^{} | avar! WHAT ARE YOU DOING rating CPAN modules!?! Do you really think you are QUALIFIED to be doing that!?! ;-P |
| * avar | dongs somian^{} |
| * somian^{} | laughs |
| avar | somian^{}: I'M A PROFESSIONAL PERL PROGRAMMER |
| avar | I know PERL |
| somian^{} | But can u mAke teh weB with teh PERL!? |
| Earle_Martin | avar: I know DONGS |
| avar | Earle_Martin: SHOW ME |
| avar | Earle_Martin: Don't you mean DONG foo? |
| * somian^{} | has a silly grin on his face as he decends the stairs to make some fresh coffee |
| avar | somian^{}: I maek teh web really well with PERL |
| Earle_Martin | /DCC MATRIX avar |
| avar | Earle_Martin: IT'S SO LARGE AND HARD! |
| Earle_Martin | avar: You think that's milk you're drinking? |
| f3ew | heh] |
| avar | I was wondering why it was so delcicious |
| avar | "I can't belive it's not jizz" |
| f3ew | Take the red pill |
| rfordinal_ | blue! |
| Earle_Martin | I know PERL: Programmer's Elite Robotic Language |
| * avar | goes back to work |
| Shadow42 | I wonder what would happen if Neo was colorblind and took the wrong pill. |
| Earle_Martin | 10 DO ROBOT DANCE |
| Earle_Martin | 20 GOTO 10 |
| avar | which doesn't involving discussing dongs in great detail, unfortunately |
| Earle_Martin | avar: the real world sucks |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Perl and Dongs on Freenode's #perl |
N-uple negative on Freenode's #perl
| polak | mauke: so how does that "translate" into eng |
| merlyn | "eng"? |
| mauke | I spe eng goo |
| rindolf | mauke: I spe eng wel |
| rindolf | I spe goo eng |
| sts | just a short question. besides personal preference is there any difference if you use if(! or unless(? |
| rindolf | sts: no. |
| rindolf | sts: they do the same thing. |
| Botje | sts: pfft. Real Men(tm) use unless(!...) |
| rindolf | Botje: heh. |
| sts | lol unless(! makes sense. thanks Botje, i'll rather use this one. =D |
| LeoNerd | For me it's a readability thing - I express what seems more likely |
| rindolf | Botje: File::HomeDir used to have a triple or quadruple negative in one of its test files. |
| Botje | unless(! $str !~ /(?!foo)/) |
| rindolf | Botje: heh |
| merlyn | whoa |
| merlyn | unless (!) makes no sense to me at all |
| Botje | of course not. |
| sts | Botje: wow! |
| Botje | it's still cool to confuse people with :] |
| LeoNerd | Heh.. Should just use !!! in there anywa y:) |
| merlyn | it's 7 characters too many |
| xand | some people don't understand double negatives |
| merlyn | I don't want no complaints! |
| Botje | xand: you mean don't not understnad? |
| LeoNerd | We don't know nobody who don't want no double-negatives |
| sts | Botje: what does (?!foo) do? |
| nanonyme | lol |
| xand | Botje: don't not misunderstand |
| mauke | Botje: that always executes the block |
| merlyn | there's an argument that can be successfully made that "I don't want no complaints" doesn't necessarily work logically |
| Botje | xand: oh, I don't not think I didn't not misunderstand you. |
| Botje | mauke: I know. it just looks cool. |
| mauke | and you want !($str !~ /.../) |
| xand | don't you?# |
| merlyn | so it might actually mean what people think they're meaning |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | N-uple negative on Freenode's #perl |
My operating system is better than yours on Freenode's #perl
| Yaakov | LINUX < WINDOWS XP |
| rindolf | Yaakov: Linux ">" x Inf Windows XP |
| rindolf | Yaakov: DOS > Linux |
| rindolf | Yaakov: CTSS > Linux |
| rindolf | Yaakov: TOPS-10 > Linux |
| rindolf | Multics > Linux |
| rindolf | Multics > * |
| rindolf | I think I'll stop. |
| Supaplex | I think I'll /clear |
| Kobaz | CP/M > * |
| rindolf | Kobaz: heh! |
| rindolf | Kobaz++ |
| Kobaz | Heh. |
| Kobaz | CP/M was teh sexy. |
| Kobaz | How much more of an OS do you really need? |
| Kobaz | I still have my Apple II sitting in the corner. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | My Operating System is Better than Yours |
Freenode's #perl on the many types of Wheels.
| rindolf | Mahmoud: what's up? |
| Mahmoud | rindolf, writing a CMS from scratch with perl.. really cool, making my own template engine |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: why??? |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: use TT2. |
| rindolf | Or whatever. |
| Mahmoud | rindolf, i dislike other CMS engines.. they are bloated and i don't trust them |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: TT2 is pure perl. |
| * Mahmoud | looks for TT2 |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: a CMS doesn't stay simple forever. |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: and a CMS != Templating system. |
| Mahmoud | rindolf, the template engine is quite simple, it's similar to how SimpleMachines forum does its templates |
| Mahmoud | rindolf, just an external file with print 'foo'; commands |
| amnesiac | Mahmoud, TT2 is very powerful |
| amnesiac | Mahmoud, there are more templating systems, why not use any ofo the existing ones? |
| rindolf | Mahmoud: please don't re-invent square wheels. |
| Mahmoud | heh.. |
| NOTevil | oval! |
| * amnesiac | likes hexagonal wheels |
| NOTevil | very small octagon wheels aren't too bad. |
| rindolf | amnesiac: triangular wheels are the best! |
| Shaine | i like star shaped wheels :/ |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | On the Many Types of Wheels |
The Pyramid of Code Golf on Freenode's #perl
| ferret | LeoNerd: That was one of the first blobs of Java I wrote, it's allowed to be even more verbose and convoluted than Java normally is. ;P |
| rindolf | ferret: link? |
| ferret | /las Cat.java |
| rindolf | ferret: an implementation of the UNIX "cat" program in Java?? |
| ferret | Actually, specifically the GNU cat program, and only a subset thereof. |
| rindolf | ferret: oh. |
| rindolf | ferret: how many lines did it take? |
| * f00li5h | heads off to #codegolf and tries to convince them to allow java submissions |
| ferret | rindolf: It's mostly argument parser. |
| rindolf | ferret: I once implemented a parser for a subset of the Bourne Shell args, in really hideous ANSI C. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: good luck. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: Java Golf... |
| f00li5h | yeah, for sure! |
| rindolf | Java Golf would be longer than a non-Golfed Perl program. |
| f00li5h | rindolf: this is true |
| rindolf | f00li5h: COBOL Golf! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Pyramid of Code Golf |
Scary Perl Expertise on Freenode's #perl
| pasteling | "struggling intern" at 129.162.1.31 pasted "Here it is.." (220 lines, 5.7K) at http://sial.org/pbot/25279 |
| strugglingintern | woohoo |
| strugglingintern | there it goes... |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: oh my god! |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: this code looks really bad. |
| strugglingintern | heh... |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: if ($records eq 0 ) - don't you want ($records == 0)? |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: do you have unit tests? |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: and you should factor it better. |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: and possibly use Template Toolkit or something. |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: and you may have some HTML-injection (or XSS) problems. |
| Ani-_ | rindolf: and probably SQL injection problems. |
| rindolf | Ani-_: indeed! |
| strugglingintern | :-/ |
| Ani-_ | strugglingintern: really, ask them to review that code when they get back. |
| strugglingintern | alright |
| strugglingintern | I appreciate it anyway |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: how long have you been programming perl? |
| strugglingintern | hah, about 3 months |
| strugglingintern | This isn't all my code ;) |
| strugglingintern | I'll look into it |
| strugglingintern | Thanks guys (and gals). |
| rindolf | strugglingintern: you're welcome. |
| strugglingintern | not my choice ;) |
| strugglingintern | it's my 3rd week here :) |
| rindolf | Amazing how much more experienced programmers can tell a code is bad from a quick glance. |
| rindolf | It's a bit scary. |
| Ani-_ | nothing amazing about it. It's called skill. :) |
| The_SB | yeh even I can tell it by a look |
| ology | It's not scary or amazing at all. |
| ology | It is called experience! |
| Ani-_ | rindolf: what do you find scary? |
| Ani-_ | rindolf: that experienced programmers can tell it? Or the code itself? |
| Ani-_ | I would disagree on the first one but agree on the later! :) |
| rindolf | Ani-_: no, that I'm so experienced. |
| rindolf | Ani-_: I hope I don't sound out as a snob. |
| ology | narcissism is fun |
| rindolf | I should get a life. |
| rindolf | Get a girlfriend, go to movies. |
| rindolf | Instead all I do is write Perl. |
| rindolf | And chat about writing Perl. |
| Ikarus | a life, tried that, didn't mix with me |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Scary Perl Expertise |
(Human) Language Fun on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | Let me wikipedia it. |
| f00li5h | so now wikipedia is a verb? |
| rindolf | f00li5h: it's gonna enter the OED. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: in English every verb can be nounified and every noun can be verbed. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: google is now a verb too. |
| f00li5h | rindolf: q{ just one second and i'll "computer" it up for you"} |
| rindolf | f00li5h: LOL. |
| rindolf | f00li5h++ |
| * rindolf | f00li5hes jql |
| rindolf | I'm rindolfed |
| * f00li5h | finds it odd that irssi hilighted half of that word |
| rindolf | f00li5h: it's much harder to do it in Hebrew. |
| jql | computer is from the verb compute already |
| rindolf | jql: there's computerise though. |
| f00li5h | jql: but to computer something is different than computing it |
| f00li5h | COMPUTIFY! |
| rindolf | jql: I once thought that the study of Objectivity is Objectivism. |
| f00li5h | "configurated" |
| jql | you shouldn't noun up a verb that's been nouned already |
| rindolf | And the study of Objectivism is Objectivistalism. |
| Caelum | heh |
| rindolf | And that study of that is Objectvisitalistalism. |
| rindolf | And to infinity it's Objectivist-elementalism! |
| f00li5h | eval: object .((ism)x100) |
| buubot | f00li5h: objectismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismism ismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismism ismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismismi |
| rindolf | With apologies to the 4 people who ever spoke Latin correctly. |
| jql | I can't help but read that as smi smi smi |
| Caelum | me too |
| rindolf | jql: reminds me of Peter Pan. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | (Human) Language Fun on Freenode's #perl |
How many clicks must a one man do, before he selects what he wants on Freenode's #perl.
| dkr | I use nedit, the only app with a quadruple-click feature |
| naquad | wtf is quadruple-click??? %-/ |
| dkr | double-click selects a word, triple-click selects a line, quadruple-click select the whole document. heh :) |
| Patterner | quintuple-click selects the whole harddisk |
| rindolf | hexuple-click selects the entire Intranet. |
| rindolf | And septapable-click selects the entire Internet |
| Patterner | How many for the multiverse? |
| naquad | people, who uses what editor? |
| arw | octaple click selects the known universe and nonaple the rest too. |
| rindolf | arw: how long does it takes these clicks to run? |
| rindolf | I think it's super-exponential complexity. |
| arw | rindolf: no matter, the universe is finite :) |
| arw | rindolf: only problem is, the information about your clicking will never reach the entire universe as it expands ;) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How many clicks must a one man do, before he selects what he wants? |
The meaning of "I" on Freenode's #perl.
| * reflexive | huzzahs. His Perl books just arrived. |
| apeiron | reflexive, Which? |
| reflexive | apeiron: IP and PBP. A couple others are still in transit. |
| apeiron | reflexive, Nice. :) |
| reflexive | :) |
| rindolf | reflexive: what is IP? |
| reflexive | Intermediate Perl. |
| rindolf | reflexive: oh, OK. |
| rindolf | Intellectual Perl. |
| rindolf | Internet Perl. |
| kojiro | Invasive Perl |
| kspath | Idiot Perl |
| rindolf | Interactive Perl. |
| rindolf | I, Perl. |
| kojiro | Implementing Pies |
| kojiro | mmm, pie |
| rindolf | Improbably Perl |
| kspath | Ignoble Perl |
| kojiro | Probably Inverted |
| rindolf | kojiro: :-) |
| kspath | Improper Perl |
| reflexive | Insidious Perl? |
| mst | ALL PERL IS IMPROPER |
| kojiro | API? |
| rindolf | In Soviet Russia all improper is Perl. |
| rindolf | APII. |
| qrck | impudent perl |
| kojiro | no, you never count words like "is" |
| kspath | Incoherent Perl |
| kojiro | ALL PERL IS INCOHERENT |
| reflexive | So true. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Meaning of "I". |
Got the Slashdot? on Freenode's #perl.
| dkr | which is that ACME:: filter that obfusctaes all your source into whitespace? :) |
| preaction | Acme::Bleach |
| rindolf | dkr: as preaction said it is Acme::Bleach. |
| dkr | moderation -1 Redundant |
| * dkr | smirks |
| nws | get out you slashdotter |
| nws | jk |
| dkr | I got moderated overrated yesterday. I felt so loved |
| dkr | GumbyGumby: how often do you post to /.? |
| GumbyGumby | dkr: do it to system() a ssh command. Is doing that often. |
| rindolf | GumbyBRAIN: how often do you post dkr to Slashdot? |
| GumbyBRAIN | do it to list. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Got the Slashdot? |
What's in a variable-name? on Freenode's #perl.
| WebDragon | y'all should spell it in uppercase it being an acronym and all |
| reaction | Yes, but we're *lazy*! |
| * WebDragon | *so* noticed ;) |
| dkr | WebDragon: people that use CamelCase have no right to criticize about capitalization. :) |
| WebDragon | dkr: I hate underscores |
| * dkr | contemplates a source code filter that does lets you use spaces in var names by switch them to underscores at compile time |
| preaction | black magic |
| mst | dkr: source filters are evil. |
| mst | dkr: in a bad way. |
| mst | dkr: hacking the compiler is much more fun, and evil in a useful way :) |
| mst | WebDragon: recommended perl style is $var_name |
| mst | WebDragon: it's also more readable than $varName or $VarName |
| mst | WebDragon: I'd recommend trying it for at least a month |
| mst | WebDragon: also note that it'll make life easier because you'll be consistent with the rest of perl code |
| WebDragon | mst: I was thinking more along the lines of filenames and irc nicknames than perl variables |
| mst | WebDragon: ah. fair enough :) |
| * WebDragon | doesn't use camelcase for perlvars |
| mst | WebDragon: then I shall cease complaining :) |
| avar | ${"Insert a descriptive essay about the variable here"} |
| WebDragon | rofl |
| rindolf | avar: that won't work with 'use strict 'refs'' |
| WebDragon | avar: I've seen things like that in RL and had recurring nightmares about them when I saw similar and sometimes worse things on thedailywtf.com |
| mst | rindolf: ${main::}{"Insert a descriptive essay about the variable here"} would :) |
| mst | rindolf: or you could just use %_ :) |
| dkr | my boss still occasionally uses vars like $x. still trying to beat that behavior out of him |
| * WebDragon | only uses x|y|z for cartesian coordinate math |
| WebDragon | which, since I hardly ever do any of that, means the obvious |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What's in a variable name? |
Watched the fountain on Freenode's #perlcafe
| mofino | watched the Fountain |
| mofino | pretty cool' |
| q[ender] | yep |
| sili | what? |
| sili | you think The Fountain was cool? |
| sili | it was pretty artsy. |
| sili | I don't understand the necessity of repeating that same scene 50k times, though. |
| mofino | then you didn't get the movie |
| rindolf | sili: if you repeat a scene 50k times, then the movie will have less entropy and will compress better. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Watched the fountain on Freenode's #perlcafe |
Commiting yourself to a programming language on Freenode's #perl.
| convivial | high-rez, but I don't know enough to help you because I am a newbie to perl programming and although I am in deep luv with perl and planning on marrying perl, I still have a lot to learn. |
| rindolf | convivial: you can only marry Perl if polygamy is legal where you live. |
| rindolf | convivial: because Perl and I are already married. :-D |
| convivial | why is that? i'm single :) |
| rindolf | convivial: but Perl isn't. |
| convivial | oh crap ! |
| convivial | all the good languages are already married :( |
| rindolf | convivial: COBOL is still single. |
| rindolf | convivial: but I heard she's a total bitch. |
| convivial | ewwwwwwwwwwww, so is JCL and no one is knocking down either of their doors |
| convivial | rindolf, janet reno is single! |
| rindolf | convivial: what kind of programming language is "Janet Reno"? |
| convivial | :) |
| convivial | she is a person |
| rindolf | convivial: I'm not interested in people, I'm only interested in programming languages. |
| shaldannon | rindolf: you should try Ada |
| rindolf | shaldannon: Ada 95? |
| shaldannon | yeah |
| shaldannon | the syntax of Pascal, the power of Basic and the friendliness of Java |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Commiting yourself to a programming language on Freenode's #perl. |
Making use of Encyclopedias at FreeNode's #perl
| * shaldannon | beats iank over the head with an encyclopedia |
| rindolf | shaldannon: all volumes of an encyclopedia? |
| dwu | rindolf: ha |
| shaldannon | rindolf: every last one of 'em |
| rindolf | shaldannon: or perhaps a printout of the Wikipedia? |
| iank | rindolf: the whole bookcase |
| rindolf | shaldannon: which Encyclopedia? |
| iank | rindolf: naw, just get the DVD :) |
| shaldannon | rindolf: I couldn't lift that |
| shaldannon | rindolf: Britanica |
| iank | You could lift the DVD! |
| dwu | shaldannon: Start. Working. Out. |
| shaldannon | dwu: oh? |
| dwu | shaldannon: Dude, being able to lift the Britannica is hot. |
| * iank | -> the internet |
| shaldannon | :-} |
| dwu | Seriously. |
| dwu | "I can hold the accepted knowledge of a percentage of the human race in my arms!" "Oh, god, that is so sexy." |
| shaldannon | hahahaha |
| dwu | Seriously. Smart is hot. Smart and funny... well. |
| * shaldannon | is hillarious ;) |
| dwu | Uhm. kay. |
| rindolf | If you start reading the wikipedia lexicographically, will you ever finish at the rate articles are added there? |
| tarrybone | rindolf: yes (citation needed) |
| dwu | ha |
| shaldannon | lol @ tarrybone |
| dwu | tarrybone++ |
| rindolf | This reminds me of James Bond 1, where the girl there read an encyclopedia, instead of going to school. |
| yrlnry | Does anyone near Philadelphia want to come to my house and take away my 1920 Britannica? |
| shaldannon | rindolf: hey...when I was in elementary school, I used to read the World Book encyclopedia instead of doing my homework |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Commiting yourself to a programming language on Freenode's #perl. |
Production WTF Code on #perl
| dwave | anyone envy me? i'm refactoring production code that uses the fact that "" is defined, as a hash key. |
| dwave | if (ref $ref->{""} ne "ARRAY") { |
| dwave | $ref->{""} = [$ref->{""},$_]; |
| dwave | } else { |
| dwave | $ref->{""} = [@{$ref->{""}},$_]; |
| dwave | } |
| dwave | :( |
| iank | hey, that looks like fun. |
| integral | Has the author been lynched yet? |
| * integral | would have used "\0" :-P |
| dwave | the best of it all, is that it's an XML parser |
| mauke | $ref->{""} = [ref $ref->{""} eq "ARRAY" ? @{$ref->{""}} : $ref->{""}, $_]; # fixed |
| rindolf | dwave: does this XML parser makes use of an existing XML parser from CPAN? |
| rindolf | dwave: or does it do everything from scratch? |
| dwave | rindolf: everything from scratch :) |
| rindolf | dwave: nice! |
| dwave | i'm trying to get rid of it |
| rindolf | dwave: re-inventing square wheels. |
| dwave | there's a home made unicode lib too |
| dwave | ! |
| rindolf | dwave: ouch! |
| shaldannon | nice |
| iank | Brilliant! |
| shaldannon | dwave: I suggest a dailywtf.com submission |
| rindolf | dwave: yeah, I second shaldannon |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Production WTF Code on #perl |
Versions of Software on FreeNode's #perl
| bp31416 | rindolf: I command you both, to uninstall it, and install SuSE10.2 =P |
| jagerman | "versions" are so annoying. |
| jagerman | "I use Linux 10.2!" |
| iank | jagerman: I had a friend who insisted the answer to the question "What version of the kernel are you running?" was "gnome". |
| jagerman | eval: $POE::Kernel::VERSION |
| buubot | jagerman: 1.2173 |
| jagerman | \o/ |
| Terminus | heh, a friend of mine only remembers me running ximian a few years ago and he keeps on asking me, "why don't you run ximian again?" where ximian == OS for him. |
| bp31416 | jagerman: could be worse lingo-wise, in tech-support many folks asking on Q about 'THEIR internet' isn't working, or 'does it have internet installed?', I .....like.... sir.... when did you manage to buy the internet in whole? ....... ahhhh... the internet is not a socket you plug in any of the ports sir |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Versions of Software |
The Holy Extreme Programming in Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | "We're doing XP [= Extreme Programming] here, so you need to know Ruby, you need to know Design Patterns and you need to know Refactoring." |
| rindolf | XP may have become a religion. |
| ew73 | I Refactored yesterday! |
| rindolf | ew73: using which refactoring pattern? |
| ew73 | Leviticus 13:22 |
| Somni | well you will keep refactoring until you get it right! |
| * rindolf | extracts the ew73 method. |
| rindolf | ew73: this is one of my favourite refactoring patterns. |
| * ew73 | idly looks up said passage, just to see if it's any good. |
| integral | What do you have to know to claim you know refactoring? |
| integral | How to click buttons in the right Eclipse menu? |
| rindolf | integral: the code is in Ruby. |
| integral | Ruby is too cool to be in Eclipse? |
| ew73 | integral: One time, I moved all this stuff to another subroutine! |
| ew73 | Lev. 13:22. And if it spread, he shall judge him to have the leprosy: |
| rindolf | integral: no, but you cannot refactor Ruby code automatically using Eclipse. |
| integral | One time I wrote all this code, but when I was about to go home I found I'd left my brain at home! LOLZ |
| integral | ew73: good butter advert in that |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Extreme Programming as a Religion |
To be here or not to be here on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | Hi all. |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: here? |
| LeoNerd | rindolf: Maybe |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: "be here or be not here - there is no maybe" |
| LeoNerd | :) |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: a.k.a the law of the exclusion of the middle. |
| dwu | I think Yoda phrased that one best. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | To be here or not to be here on Freenode's #perl |
Monkey Business at Freenode's #perl
| perlmonkey | thats just...mental |
| rindolf | perlmonkey2: still here? |
| perlmonkey2 | rindolf: hi |
| rindolf | perlmonkey2: hi. |
| perlmonkey | phew |
| rindolf | perlmonkey2: now we have two Perl monkeys. |
| perlmonkey2 | hah |
| perlmonkey2 | good stuff |
| perlmonkey2 | You can never have too many. |
| PeaceNLove | To produce good stuff like Shakespeare's works, we need an infinite number of monkeys |
| perlmonkey | we're starting a monkey clan |
| rindolf | PeaceNLove: heh. |
| rindolf | PeaceNLove: and to write like a monkey we need a million Shakespeares. |
| PeaceNLove | perlmonkey, reproduce and multiply, God be with you |
| perlmonkey2 | PeaceNLove: You can, of course, do anything with an infinite number of perl monkeys. |
| perlmonkey2 | PeaceNLove: Actually a million monkeys on a million typewriters would most probably have not created Hamlet if they started at the beginning of the Universe. |
| PeaceNLove | perlmonkey2, that's fine, the Universe has not ended yet, they have time |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Monkey Business at Freenode's #perl |
Who you're gonna call on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | Hmmm... xchat-perl is gone. |
| f00li5h | OH NOES! ## what's that for then? |
| rindolf | Who you're gonna call? Bug-busters!! |
| Khisanth | rindolf: never existed, unless you are using an rpm based system |
| rindolf | Khisanth: I am. |
| f00li5h | I AINT AFRAID OF NO BUG! |
| rindolf | f00li5h: heh. |
| f00li5h | when there's something wierd and in your code base, who you gonna call? |
| railbait | f00li5h: The police? |
| f00li5h | railbait: BUG BUSTERS! |
| f00li5h | we test it with science then blow it up |
| f00li5h | ... or is that someone else |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Who you're gonna call? |
Tribute to the Prisoner on Freenode's #perl
| Hazard | How do I look up @- in the perldocs? |
| rindolf | Hazard: perldoc perlvar |
| Hazard | rindolf: Thanks. |
| Daveman | perldoc rindolf |
| Hazard | I don't know what I'd do without IRC. |
| rindolf | Daveman: I am not a pragma! I'm a free man! |
| Hazard | I couldn't even google that. |
| rindolf | use Daveman (qw(silliness)); |
| * jetscreamer | sends rindolf back to the village |
| rindolf | jetscreamer: is it a Perlisoner village where everyone becomes a pragma? |
| jetscreamer | and lots of perlBalloons |
| Daveman | gumbybrain, how do i make teh web wit shlomi!? |
| rindolf | jetscreamer: Perloons. |
| rindolf | jetscreamer: Perlunatics. |
| apeiron | Perlarks. |
| Daveman | perlaugh |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Tribute to the Prisoner |
The Messiah of Perl on Freenode's #perl
| ubajas | Technically, my first language was Turbo Pascal, but I started over with Perl 10 years later (not having programmed in the meantime). I'm obviously damaged goods. |
| iank | ubajas: heh, I read that as "I started with (perl 10) (years later)" instead of "I started with perl (10 years later)" :) |
| rindolf | Perl 10! |
| rindolf | Perl for the Fourth Millenium. |
| jagerman | I thought Perl 6 was supposed to be timeless |
| ubajas | iank: Maybe I should have added a comma. :-] |
| jagerman | Perl ∞ |
| iank | perl6 has existed since the beginning of time, or at least it will have existed since then once $Larry finds a time machine. |
| simcop2387 | iank: i'm sorry but larry is the prophet i am the messanger! i will be the one to take it back! |
| iank | WHAT. |
| simcop2387 | iank: its MY TIME MACHINE! |
| * iank | smacks simcop2387 around |
| jagerman | iank: So it'll be like that Star Trek episode, where they say that the development of computers are caused by time travel from the future? |
| jagerman | Except that they were too stupid (like most Voyager writers) to get their facts right, and thought computers started in the 70s |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Messiah of Perl |
One rindolf Each on Freenode's #perl
| milardovich | with strict it say me this: |
| milardovich | Global symbol "$lorem" requires explicit package name at split.pl line 3. |
| rindolf | milardovich: use "my $lorem = " |
| rindolf | milardovich: my is your friend. |
| rindolf | pun not intended. |
| rindolf | my is my friend. |
| dwu | Preferably with a real value after "= " ^.^ |
| rindolf | dwu: he already has that. |
| milardovich | that works with my rindolf |
| milardovich | thaks you!!! |
| rindolf | milardovich: you're welcome. |
| milardovich | :) |
| ubajas | I wish I had a rindolf too. :-\ |
| milardovich | people here are "nicer" than on #php :P |
| rindolf | ubajas: I'm mass-produced at Chines sweat-shops. |
| ubajas | hehe |
| rindolf | ubajas: they sell me for 30 bucks a piece. |
| rindolf | milardovich: I've heard some horrible stories about ##php. |
| milardovich | perl rulz x) |
| rindolf | milardovich: what brings you to Perl? |
| simcop2387 | rindolf: #php apparantly |
| rindolf | simcop2387: heh. |
| rindolf | simcop2387++ |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | One rindolf Each on Freenode's #perl |
Are you being verbed on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | cl1: what do you do at work? |
| cl1 | i write code :D |
| rindolf | cl1: naturally. |
| rindolf | cl1: to do what? |
| cl1 | right now at this contract, i'm working with .net, c#, asp.net and pl/sql |
| rindolf | cl1: sounds enterprisey. |
| BinGOs | please don't turn enterprise into a verb. |
| rindolf | BinGOs: enterprisey is an adjective, not a verb. |
| LeoNerd | Enterprizationaliseation? |
| BinGOs | okay. |
| cl1 | lol @ enterprisey |
| rindolf | GumbyBRAIN: BinGOs me! |
| GumbyBRAIN | i tend to be good, it doesn't want me to buy an island utopia (you'll get used to bother me. |
| BinGOs | But it is a noun and no more. |
| BinGOs | mmmkay. |
| dwu | BinGOs: Actually, it's also an adjective. Even without "y". |
| BinGOs | I HATE YOU ALL. |
| * dwu | grin |
| BinGOs | CRITIQUE IS DEFINITELY A FUCKING NOUN. |
| dwu | It's also a verb. |
| BinGOs | NO IT ISN'T |
| simcop2387 | BinGOs: i shall critique your use of critique |
| BinGOs | JUST BECAUSE SOME DAMNED YANKEE SCUM DECIDE IT IS, DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. |
| dwu | It's been used since the 18th century. |
| rindolf | BinGOs: dwued! |
| BinGOs | I refer you to my earlier hate. |
| dwu | I refer you to your fail. |
| icke | not earlier than 18th century |
| dwu | I really shouldn't. It's mean. But I will. |
| dwu | Because I'm mean. |
| dwu | icke: Hence "since". |
| dwu | 'criticises'. |
| BinGOs | My fail-gun appears to firing backwards. Damn thing. |
| dwu | Your fail gun is... failing? |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Are you being verbed on Freenode's #perl |
How much Perl do you need at Freenode's #perl
| shishirm1 | is pop3 module avaliable only in perl 5? |
| jernster | are you saying you use something other than 5? |
| icke | perl 4 didn't even have modules |
| jernster | heh |
| rindolf | shishirm1: do you want to use it with Perl 4? |
| shishirm1 | oh ok sorry i am comlete nooob!! so i am just asking you guys |
| shishirm1 | nope is perl 5 a standard now? |
| jernster | yes |
| shishirm1 | ok great... |
| jernster | :) |
| rindolf | shishirm1: Perl 4 is unmaintained, unloved, deprecated, not recommended, and dead - D. E. D. - DEAD! |
| simcop2387-lap | perl 4 is an EXPERL! |
| simcop2387-lap | all statements that perl4 is a going concern are thus inoperative. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How much Perl do you need at Freenode's #perl |
Conditional-to-Inheritance Refactoring on Freenode's #perl
| edeca | Hrm. More infernal questions, mainly because I am trying to make my perl prettier and contain less nasty if's. I have $foo and $bar which are obtained from split(/ /, 'kitten loving'). But I don't want undef if the split fails, I'd rather '' for $bar or both. What's the nicest way to do that? |
| Khisanth | ($foo, $bar) = map { $_ // "" } split / /, $str; # 5.10 version :) |
| edeca | Noo 5.10! :) |
| Khisanth | ($foo, $bar) = map { defined $_ ? $_ : "" } split / /, $str; # probably some other shorter ways too |
| rindolf | edeca: [bad idea] you can also try using the conditional->inheritance refactoring. |
| rindolf | :-) |
| * Khisanth | pours boiling coffee on rindolf |
| rindolf | Khisanth: I hate coffee, but I guess I deserved it. |
| rindolf | That was a joke, of course. |
| Khisanth | you weren't really supposed to like having boiling anything poured on you but I guess you are into the kinkier stuff |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Conditional-to-Inheritance Refactoring on Freenode's #perl |
Geek love on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | rbastic: QBasic was the sh*t! |
| rindolf | rbastic: well, not really. |
| rbastic | rindolf: yup, that language is responsible for me having gotten into programming to begin with. |
| rbastic | 8 yrs old and writing qbasic scripts with QBasic for Dummies by my side |
| rindolf | rbastic: I started when I was 10. |
| rindolf | rbastic: I know some people who started much later. |
| talexb | Late bloomer .. didn't start till I was 15. |
| Zoffix | heh, I started at 14... I could not have a computer before that |
| rindolf | rbastic: but I know a girl who started programming when she was 6. |
| rindolf | Or was it 8? |
| Zoffix | rindolf, CAN HAS PHONE NUMBER?! |
| rbastic | lol |
| rindolf | Zoffix: NO CAN! |
| Zoffix | :( |
| rindolf | Zoffix: only have her MSN. |
| Zoffix | gimmegimmegimme |
| talexb | Heh. |
| Zoffix | :) |
| rindolf | Zoffix: LOL. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Geek Love |
The Grand Unified Programming Language
| rbastic | Juerd: eh in today's world of heavy JS on the clientside, i think it makes a little more sense to use the same lang. everywhere |
| Juerd | rbastic: JS on the client side is because often it's the only option the universe provides. |
| rbastic | Juerd: from a business perspective, you reduce the complexity and potential difficulties in finding new hires with the same skillset |
| rindolf | rbastic: have you heard of RJS? |
| Juerd | rbastic: On the server side, however, you have great freedom. |
| rbastic | rindolf: no, what's that? |
| Caelum | larry wants perl6 to run on javascript :) |
| rindolf | rbastic: "One Language; and One Sayings". |
| Juerd | rbastic: Exactly. I would never hire a server side programmer who knows *only* Javascript, and is too stupid to learn whatever we're using on the server side. |
| rindolf | rbastic: my translation to a sentence from the Tower of Babel myth. |
| rbastic | Juerd: i'll agree with that also. any real programmer knows or has at least coded in half a dozen languages before |
| Juerd | From a business perspective, you should avoid crap coders at all cost. |
| Juerd | Knows *or* has coded... Hmmm...! |
| rindolf | rbastic: though according to what most scholars believe it was not about using one language but rather thinking the same. |
| Juerd | I hope they haven't coded in half a dozen languages without knowing them. |
| Juerd | That'd be scary. |
| zshzn | Reality is scary, Juerd |
| talexb | Hmm, BASIC, FORTRAN, COBOL, assembler, C, more assembler, C, Pascal ... Perl! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Grand Unified Programming Language |
Can I haz a fast compiler on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | rbastic: now I'm working with C++. |
| rindolf | rbastic: I found out that my project compiles really quickly. |
| rindolf | rbastic: under 5 or 10 minutes on a P4-2.4GHz with 1 GB of RAM. |
| rindolf | rbastic: maybe KDE is making g++ look bad. |
| rbastic | rindolf: yeah, i'm not a big KDE fan |
| rindolf | rbastic: actually I'm using KDE-3.5.8 here. |
| rindolf | rbastic: I was talking about the compilation speed of KDE apps and KDE itself. |
| rindolf | rbastic: possibly because each file has half-a-gazillion headers. |
| rindolf | My C++ code is a server one, so we don't have too many deps. |
| rbastic | yeah, isn't there a way to cache header files? ie. in their "compiled" form? |
| rbastic | or is that something I'm remembering from some other programming language that purported to build on top of C? |
| rindolf | rbastic: MSVC has that. |
| rbastic | ahh, nods |
| rindolf | rbastic: no, Visual C++ has precompiled headers. |
| rindolf | rbastic: I remember that I kept deleting them. |
| rbastic | yeah, couldn't remember |
| rbastic | lol |
| rindolf | Pascal compiles very quickly. |
| rindolf | That's one of the things I enjoyed in Delphi. |
| rbastic | ugh, the app i'm been maintaining in Java was originally a fat client/server desktop app, written in Delphi |
| rindolf | rbastic: ah. |
| rbastic | i remember booting up the old app for the first time, and being amazed at how slow it was |
| rbastic | eventually, i had to duplicate a feature in the Java code and i wasn't sure how it was implemented before |
| rindolf | rbastic: you mean the Java app is faster? :S |
| rbastic | so being as i had no Delphi experience, and the newer Delphi environments made NO sense to me at all, i just opened up the SQL Server query analyzer |
| rbastic | rindolf: yes, but only b/c the Delphi programmer was an idiot, issuing queries over and over again needlessly |
| rbastic | rindolf: if you could've seen the MSSQL Performance Analyzer or whatever, it was basically just.. Query1, Query2, Query3, Query1, Query2, Query3, repeat. |
| rbastic | it was probably the worst ive ever seen in my life.. belongs on www.thedailywtf.com |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Can I haz a fast compiler |
I think too much - therefore I blog too much on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | scrottie: hi. |
| scrottie | hi rindolf! |
| rindolf | scrottie: are you the scrottie from use.perl.org? |
| scrottie | yeah. |
| rindolf | scrottie: ah, nice to meet you. |
| rindolf | Well, chat with you on IRC at least. |
| * scrottie | cowers from the swinging fist probably coming his way |
| rindolf | scrottie: I'm "Shlomi%20Fish" |
| scrottie | oh, heh, thanks |
| rindolf | It's a curse. |
| scrottie | hmm. i vaguely remember interesting stuff from you but can't honestly place what. |
| scrottie | I know I've seen you around here before too. |
| rindolf | Yeah, my use.perl.org blog is mostly technical and perl-related. |
| scrottie | I post on use.perl.org entirely too much. |
| rindolf | So it may be a bit boring. |
| rindolf | Sometimes it's a bit philosophical. |
| rindolf | scrottie: yes. |
| scrottie | heh. and mine is offensively off-topic. |
| rindolf | scrottie: I have other blogs. |
| scrottie | I've posted to livejournal twice! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | I think too much - therefore I blog too much |
"How intrusive do you want your text to be?" on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | Can we add styles like <b>, <i>, etc.? |
| rindolf | Or colours? |
| rindolf | Or blink? |
| rindolf | Or images? |
| rindolf | Or flash applets? |
| scrottie | <banner>! |
| alanhaggai | rindolf: No I think. Google's Web Application does not allow them. It is just a <textarea>. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How intrusive do you want your text to be? |
Freenode's #pearl
| rindolf | scrottie: you are a native English speaker right? |
| rindolf | scrottie: do you know #linguistics ? |
| scrottie | not familiar with #linguistics, yes, I am a native English speaker, but my spelling is atr... my spelling is terrible. |
| rindolf | atrocious? |
| scrottie | yeah, that |
| scrottie | I have an xterm dedicated to dict/spell |
| rindolf | scrottie: spelling is probably easy to fix using aspell. |
| rindolf | scrottie: heh. |
| rindolf | scrottie: I'm using xchat which has an red-line for spelling mistakes. |
| rindolf | Very useful. |
| rindolf | Too bad I'm using British spelling where it sometimes misbehaves. |
| rindolf | aspell, I mean. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Freenode's #pearl |
"Lame even" on Freenode's #perl
| rindolf | A lot of ise's [in Aspell's British Spelling checker] are false positivies. |
| rindolf | positives even. |
| rindolf | People who say $minor_spelling_correction even, are lam. |
| rindolf | lame even. |
| rindolf | I never get tired of these self-referential jokes. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Lame even |
The Third #perl Reich (on Freenode #perl).
| scrottie | The tech side was there... but I was stuck with my fucking graphics I did in crayon. I kid you not. Crayon. |
| scrottie | It was a cry for help. |
| scrottie | Programmers will work with each other on fun projects, but graphic designers never get involved in stuff like that. |
| rindolf | scrottie: ah. |
| scrottie | then there's kingdomofloathing.com... stick figures. |
| rindolf | scrottie: there are some graphic designers who contribute to KDE, GNOME, etc. |
| scrottie | fuck graphic artists. we should round them all up and burn them. |
| rindolf | scrottie: heh. |
| scrottie | okay, they can live. |
| rindolf | scrottie: scrotitler! |
| scrottie | the rest get burnt though. |
| rindolf | "He who starts by burning graphics desginers will end up burning programmers." |
| scrottie | only the ASP and PHP programmers... then we'll see where things are at and re-evaluate the plan. |
| rindolf | First they came to the graphics designers... |
| Khisanth | then they came for more graphics designers |
| rindolf | scrottie: I knew some very nice PHP programmers. |
| rindolf | And VB ones. |
| scrottie | yeah, me too. real shame. |
| rindolf | scrottie: I still know some PHP programmers. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Third #perl Reich (on Freenode #perl). |
The Name "Bunny"
| →B-rabbit | has joined #perl |
| rindolf | B-rabbit? I know a B-rat on #linguistics. |
| B-rabbit | rindolf, cool =] |
| rindolf | B-rabbit: ok. |
| B-rabbit | my full name is bunny rabbit bt w :) |
| B-rabbit | hehe |
| rindolf | B-rabbit: ah. |
| rindolf | B-rabbit: "bunny" is a female name. |
| B-rabbit | lol |
| pippijn | rindolf: correct |
| pippijn | I know a bunny |
| rindolf | Or a Playboy bunny. |
| ik | rindolf: bunny is a stripper name |
| pippijn | friends call her bun |
| ik | pippijn: is she a stripper? |
| B-rabbit | rindolf, i am a male lol x sorry to disappoint u |
| rindolf | "IRC: Where men are men, women are men, and the kids are FBI agents." |
| rindolf | B-rabbit: ok, no problem. |
| ik | pippijn: she should change her name |
| pippijn | ik: it doesn't hurt her |
| ik | pippijn: right, but she's violating a fundamental law |
| ik | pippijn: she either needs to change her name or become a stripper |
| rindolf | ik: I think the other option is better. |
| pippijn | ik: she'd probably become a stripper rather than changing her name |
| rindolf | pippijn: LOL. |
| ik | rindolf: yeah, but you're creepy |
| rindolf | I think I'll make a fortune out of it. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Name "Bunny" |
The Anti-School nazi
| dazjorz | Hi rindolf :) |
| rindolf | Hi dazjorz |
| rindolf | dazjorz: what's up? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: No Tests for You? |
| rindolf | No *more |
| dazjorz | No more tests :) |
| rindolf | dazjorz: No more tests for you!!! For three months! |
| rindolf | dazjorz: nice! |
| dazjorz | :D |
| dazjorz | Two, I think |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The anti-School nazi |
Emulating a Newbie on Perl
| yrlnry | Hi, I heard that Perl is just HTML with some sort of macro preprocessor attached. So I thought you would be the right people to ask about whether there is a way to make the submitted value on an <input type=submit> different from the visible label on the button. |
| yrlnry | Thanks in advance. |
| * Roderick | tars and feathers yrlnry. |
| yrlnry | Hi, Roderick! How's the kid? |
| Somni | you have been misinformed, sir; Perl is just a regex engine with named variables |
| ne2k__ | yrlnry: that is possibly one of the oddest questions I have ever heard |
| yrlnry | ne2k__: What's odd about "How's the kid?" |
| yrlnry | You need to get out more, seriously. |
| ne2k__ | yrlnry: I meant the original question |
| Roderick | Congratulations, I hope it's going well. |
| yrlnry | Do you know that Jewish folktale about the man who lives in a tiny hut with his wife and kids and they can't stand the crowding any more, so they go to the rabbi for advice, and the rabbit suggests that they bring the chickens, goat, and cow into the house too? |
| ne2k__ | yrlnry: not that it has anything to do with perl, but the <input> tag in HTML has both "name" and "value" attributes. the value is what gets shown in the browser typically. |
| yrlnry | ne2k__: yes, and the value is also what is submitted when someone presses the button, but I want the displayed label to be different from what it submitted, as it is say with <option ...> |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | yrlnry as a Perl newbie |
Which Prefix do You Want Today?
| mMish | hi rind |
| rindolf | Hi mMish |
| rindolf | mMish: now you're mMish ? |
| rindolf | mMish: are you eMish, oMish, aMish , etc? |
| mMish | yes |
| rindolf | mMish: ah, nice. |
| mMish | depends on the mood |
| rindolf | GumbyBRAIN: how many nicks must a one IRCer have? |
| GumbyBRAIN | Oh, i lie, now it's stuck on posting things to do it. You said you couldn't have one of many. |
| rindolf | mMish: ah OK. |
| rindolf | xMish |
| rindolf | iMish |
| rindolf | zMish |
| rindolf | Like the IBM computers. |
| rindolf | pMish |
| mMish | ppszMish <--- HUngarian |
| rindolf | mMish: LOL. |
| rindolf | lpstrMish |
| dazjorz | is lpstr a function? |
| dazjorz | get_magic_quotes_gpcMish |
| rindolf | dazjorz: no, Long Pointer to string. |
| dazjorz | PHP++ :') |
| rindolf | dazjorz: why? |
| rindolf | perlbot: karma PHP |
| perlbot | Karma for PHP: -147 |
| LeoNerd | It takes some nerve to say "PHP++" in #perl :P |
| dazjorz | rindolf: because they have get_magic_quotes_gpc! |
| dazjorz | don't we all love get_magic_quotes_gpc! |
| rindolf | dazjorz: oh. |
| dazjorz | it's a function |
| rindolf | dazjorz: love, hate - what's the difference. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: that does what? |
| dazjorz | to get the value of magic_quotes_gpc in the config file. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: ah. |
| dazjorz | so they have get_magic_quotes_gpc for get_ini('magic_quotes_gpc') |
| rindolf | dazjorz: LOL. |
| dazjorz | plus, there's the magic_quotes_gpc to escape all input a script gets via POST, GET and COOKIE. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: yes, sounds Evil. |
| rindolf | Just use placeholders. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Which Prefix do you Want today? |
Sextalk according to the cult of Perl
| krang | Hey all, what's the best way to call one perl script from another? I was thinking I'd just use 'system("script.pl");' |
| dazjorz | krang: yeah, that, or do "script.pl" |
| dazjorz | krang: depends on how seperated you want them to be |
| krang | dazjorz: you mean just a line that has "script.pl"; written on it? |
| Khisanth | you need the do as well |
| dazjorz | krang: no, exactly this: do "script.pl"; |
| rindolf | krang: system is usually what you want. |
| rindolf | krang: normally require or use are preferable to do |
| dazjorz | rindolf: that's for modules, isn't it ? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: yes. |
| dazjorz | wait, I think require "script.pl" would work too |
| rindolf | dazjorz: and doing code is not such a good idea. |
| dazjorz | rindolf: hmm? |
| krang | rindolf: what is doing anyway? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: I mean "perldoc -f do"-ing code. |
| rindolf | krang: do()-ing |
| rindolf | krang: it reads the file and evaluates it. |
| rindolf | krang: perldoc -f do. |
| dazjorz | rindolf: ah |
| dazjorz | rindolf: do {} |
| * rindolf | would rather be doing hot models than doing code. :-) |
| dazjorz | rindolf: yeah, do BLOCK is quite useless |
| dazjorz | heh |
| rindolf | dazjorz: you can do my $var = do { ... } |
| * dazjorz | would rather be doing GumbyBRAIN than doing code |
| GumbyBRAIN | and doing code is not be in the days of immortality! |
| rindolf | dazjorz: or eval { ... } |
| rindolf | dazjorz: heh. |
| rindolf | It's hard to do code. |
| dazjorz | do $model; |
| dazjorz | eh.. sorry, do $hotmodel; |
| rindolf | "Are you into my brother?" |
| rindolf | "No I'm totally into Perl." |
| krang | ah ok, I see. Thanks guys! |
| rindolf | krang: yw. |
| dazjorz | heh :-) |
| rindolf | If you want a configuration file, you should be using something like INI, YAML, etc. |
| rindolf | XML perhaps. |
| rindolf | Something. |
| rindolf | Apache-like config. |
| dazjorz | Apache-like is very strong but hard to parse, right ? |
| dazjorz | Loading and saving configuration never looks good, especially when it's XML |
| dazjorz | the code to load and save is ugly. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Sextalk among Perl cultists |
f00li5h inviting rindolf to Australia
| f00li5h | rindolf: are you coming out this way on tour some time? |
| rindolf | f00li5h: to .au? |
| f00li5h | yes! |
| rindolf | f00li5h: don't think so. |
| f00li5h | you can pay some of my rent for a bit ^_^ |
| rindolf | f00li5h: I'm out of job too. |
| f00li5h | perfect timing! |
| f00li5h | no commitments |
| * f00li5h | is very good at constructing circular arguments due to his skill in constructing circular arguments |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Will rindolf come to Australia? |
The Love Life of Cats
| Anon | today my kitty gave a birth to two kitties! |
| rindolf | Anon: ah, nice. |
| Anon | one of them died :( |
| Anon | during birth |
| rindolf | Anon: oh. :-( |
| simcop2387 | Anon: were you expecting it to happen? |
| simcop2387 | :( |
| Anon | simcop2387, i was expecting this week |
| rindolf | Anon: do you know who the father is? |
| simcop2387 | ah |
| Anon | rindolf, some cat |
| simcop2387 | rindolf: hopefully not him |
| Anon | rindolf, remember my kitty ran away |
| rindolf | Anon: ah. |
| Anon | for a week |
| rindolf | Anon: no I don't remember that. |
| Anon | well, she ran away for a week |
| rindolf | Anon: ah. |
| Anon | and came back |
| Anon | and during that time she got pregnant. |
| rindolf | Anon: ah. |
| freehaha | they don't seem to have safe sex |
| rindolf | Anon: she eloped. |
| simcop2387 | Anon: sounds like she had fun |
| Anon | simcop2387, sounds like that :) |
| simcop2387 | Anon: you should have the talk with her about birth control then (i wonder do they even make birth control for kitties) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Love Life of Cats |
Black Beer
| * rindolf | is listening to |
| rindolf | Oh crud. |
| rindolf | I should support Kaffeine too. |
| Tanktalus | rindolf is apparently deaf... ;-) |
| * rindolf | is listening to Metallica - Nothing Else Matters |
| ubajas | NOTHING ELSE MATTERS, DUDE |
| tkr | rindolf: thats nice :) |
| tkr | rindolf: how about guns 'n roses? |
| * rindolf | is listening to Guns and Runs - don't cry |
| rindolf | tkr: you read my mind. |
| rindolf | tkr: I now placed some of their songs. |
| rindolf | Now it's November Rain. |
| tkr | rindolf: next time youll come to finland Ill buy you a beer (with no alcohol)! :) |
| tkr | rindolf++ |
| rindolf | tkr: OK. |
| rindolf | tkr: we have something called "Black Beer" in Israel. |
| rindolf | Which is a non-alcoholic beer. |
| simcop2387 | rindolf: THATS RACIST! IT SHOULD BE AFRICAN AMERICAN ISREALI BEER! |
| edenc | rindolf: is it any good? |
| rindolf | simcop2387: heh . |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Beer, Perlers and Song |
Assign Named $foo and $bar
| LeoNerd | I feel there must be a way to do this... given func( foo => 1, bar => 2 ); how to write my ( $foo, $bar ) = .... inside the function? |
| LeoNerd | My current attempt is my ( $foo, $bar ) = @{{@_}}{qw( foo bar )}; which is messy as sin |
| icke | LeoNerd: what's the problem? readability? |
| LeoNerd | Yah |
| dazjorz | LeoNerd: I'd change specs to be func({ foo => 1, bar => 2}) |
| dazjorz | then my ($foo, $bar) = ($_[0]{foo}, $_[0]{bar}); |
| ton | Leonerd: If you insist on doing it on one line, that's about as good as it gets. But why not use a temporary hash ? Should be just as fast and as readable |
| LeoNerd | Hrm.. :/ Then it's only marginally nicer as my ( $foo, $bar ) = @{$_[0]}{qw( foo bar )}; |
| LeoNerd | my %args = @_; my ( $foo, $bar ) = @args{qw( foo bar )}; ya... that works |
| mst | LeoNerd: my ($foo, $bar) = do { my %a = @_; @a{qw(foo bar)} }; |
| ton | if you combine it with a delete you can then check if %args is empty and catch typos or unexpected arguments.... |
| LeoNerd | Oooh.. a do block |
| vincent | or use padwalker |
| LeoNerd | Oh, args won't be empty... this is a wrapper function that pulls a few named args off and sends the rest to a nested inner function |
| LeoNerd | Now.. I want to call a function "foreach" but that breaks things... suggestions? |
| icke | a method could be named 'foreach' |
| LeoNerd | Ya.. but this is a plain function |
| icke | tough |
| LeoNerd | I suppose "iterate" is about as best as I'll get |
| icke | for_each |
| ton | LeoNerd: forall ? |
| LeoNerd | I'll think on it overnight maybe.. I guess it's home time now |
| icke | foreachandeverysingleone |
| ton | forever, forfun, forlorn... |
| vincent | FOREACH |
| icke | boo |
| LeoNerd | one_for $all and $all for @one; |
| rindolf | forevery? |
| rindolf | <LeoNerd> one_for $all and $all for @one; - heh |
| rindolf | $one for @all and @all for @one |
| rindolf | $one for @all and @all for @$one |
| rindolf | $one for @all and @all for $one |
| rindolf | Works too. |
| LeoNerd | Hrm.. it does? |
| LeoNerd | deparse: $one for @all and @all for $one |
| buubot | LeoNerd: Error: syntax error at (eval 107195) line 1, near "@all for " |
| LeoNerd | You can't use two postmod fors in a single statement |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Syntax Fun |
The func
| as841 | Hi, i am doing a print $drh->func('createdb',$database,"localhost","root",$password,'admin'); but getting this Can't call method "func" on an undefined value |
| as841 | could anyone point me in the right direction ? |
| Yaakov | o/~ Ow we want the func / Give up the func / Ow we need the func / We gotta have that func o/~ </drforr> |
| rindolf | We got the func! |
| rindolf | Forget the fee func, we've got the see func! |
| as841 | wtf? |
| as841 | did i launch a movement or what ? |
| Yaakov | What the func?! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The func |
More Than One Way for a Cat to Paw
| * f00li5h | paws at dazjorz |
| dazjorz | f00li5h! :) |
| f00li5h | how goes it? |
| dazjorz | it goes very fine. :) |
| * pkrumins | f00s at pawlish |
| * f00li5h | pkrums at pawkrumins |
| pkrumins | f00li5h, thank you sir! =^_^= |
| f00li5h | dazjorz: I am quite well |
| * dazjorz | li5hes at f00paw |
| * dazjorz | rins at pawdolf... man, I could go on forever. |
| pkrumins | haha |
| pkrumins | pawdolf |
| * pkrumins | dazes at pawjorz |
| * dazjorz | gumbys at .. oh well |
| * pkrumins | paws at GumbyBRAIN |
| GumbyBRAIN | Ik paws at gumbybrain. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | More Than One Way for a Cat to Paw |
Bit by bit
| Similian | is there a smart way to read a file to a certain string bit by bit ? |
| Similian | which loop to use? |
| rindolf | Similian: you can read it byte by byte. |
| rindolf | Similian: do you want to read the whole thing? |
| Similian | no |
| Similian | too big 200 MB |
| simcop2387-lab | reading bit by bit is usually not supported by most operating systems |
| rindolf | Similian: then do you want to read one byte at a time? |
| ik | or one line at a time? |
| Similian | guess a line would be better |
| rindolf | simcop2387-lab: it is on my rindolfOS running on Intel 1001. |
| rindolf | Which was a 1-bit processor. |
| ik | heh |
| ik | I had a half-bit processor |
| ik | it just stored ones |
| danieldg | ik: that would be a zero-bit processor then |
| ik | no no |
| danieldg | half-bit processor stores 0's or sqrt(2)'s |
| ik | sqrt(2) may as well be 1 |
| simcop2387-lab | rindolf: a 1 bit processor would be a hell of a thing to work with |
| danieldg | not if you can't test it unless it's one |
| ik | We're not talking about numbers, we're talking about on and off, true and false, whatever you want to call it |
| ik | sqrt(2) is nonzero, so it's one. |
| rindolf | danieldg: not 1/sqrt(2)? |
| danieldg | hmm it would probably be that, yes |
| simcop2387-lab | my proc uses sqrt[-1]! |
| ik | may as well |
| danieldg | ik: think quantum computers. It tests true with probability 1/sqrt(2) |
| ik | I'm not talking about a quantum computer.. |
| danieldg | well a 1/2 bit computer clearly can't be classical |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Bit by bit |
Log Analyser in Haskell
| rindolf | whoppix: what's up? |
| whoppix | rindolf, haskelling through the night. |
| rindolf | whoppix: ah. |
| whoppix | rindolf, im pretty much a beginner, tho. |
| rindolf | whoppix: yes, I learned Haskell back at the time. |
| rindolf | whoppix: I tried to write a log analyser in Haskell once. |
| rindolf | whoppix: it segfaulted. |
| rindolf | whoppix: a CL-one was much better. |
| Caelum | rindolf: haha |
| whoppix | sadness |
| rindolf | whoppix: then people showed me how to write it better. |
| rindolf | whoppix: but it segfaulted too. |
| whoppix | haha |
| Caelum | hahaha |
| Zoffix | lol |
| rindolf | whoppix: I gave up on using Haskell for production. |
| Caelum | rindolf: I've submitted your story to bash.org |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Log Analyser in Haskell |
Best Kind of Bugs
| rindolf | perlmonkey2: I've ran into a strange problem with CMake. It's some kind of bug that disappears after running a few commands. |
| perlmonkey2 | rindolf: heh, the best kind of bugs are intermittant and only happen under load :P |
| rindolf | perlmonkey2: it's not load. |
| daemon | The best kind of bugs are the ones that do not happen at all :) |
| rindolf | daemon: heh. |
| rindolf | daemon++ |
| Altreus | The best kind of bugs are the ones that only happen to people you hate. |
| perlmonkey2 | hahahaha |
| Altreus | Those aren't usually bugs |
| Altreus | >:) |
| daemon | Altreus, you mean the ones you coded to happen to that said person ;) |
| daemon | hehe |
| Altreus | Not being able to reproduce strange behaviour is fine too |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Best kind of bugs |
The IRC-Based UNIX Shell
| * Zoffix | & |
| ^Quiddity | Zoffix: fg |
| apeiron | ^Quiddity, no |
| apeiron | kill %1 |
| rindolf | kill -9 apeiron |
| apeiron | rindolf, EPERM |
| ^Quiddity | kill: apeiron: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| rindolf | apeiron: sudo kill -9 apeiron |
| ^Quiddity | killall -9 apeiron |
| rindolf | pkill -9 apeiron |
| apeiron | rindolf, user rindolf is not in the sudoers file, this event will be reported |
| * apeiron | wonders what it says about him that he has that error message pretty much memorized |
| ^Quiddity | apeiron: that you don't spend enough time issuing commands correctly |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The IRC-Based UNIX Shell |
Retardedness
| rindolf | mst: sorry for that - that was not my intention. |
| mst | rindolf: I know it wasn't. you aren't that retarded. but the way your comment came across was :) |
| rindolf | mst: yes. |
| rindolf | mst++ |
| rindolf | mst: "you aren't that retarded." - you shouldn't insult my retardedness (sp?). I worked all my life to be so retarded. |
| Altreus | I think you can spell made-up words like 'retardedness' however you like |
| carpftb | if you're a retard. |
| Botje | heh |
| Botje | working hard is the exact opposite of retardedness :] |
| Altreus | hardly working |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Retardedness |
How to name a new Flickr-module
| jfroebe | trying to come up with a replacement name for my Flickr::Simple2.. (it is based off of XML::Simple rather than XML::Parser::Lite::Tree) - Net::Flickr, Flickr::API, Flickr::Simple are already taken. Any ideas? I'm coming up blank for a name |
| jfroebe | It is a Perl interface to Flickr |
| mofino | wait |
| rindolf | jfroebe: ah, I saw your message on Chicago.pm |
| rindolf | jfroebe: maybe WWW::Flickr |
| mofino | you found others and decided you needed to make ANOTHER perl interface to flickr? |
| jfroebe | the other ones have been broken for a long time (either because of use of the abandoned XML::Parser::Lite::Tree module or because the authentication method was never correctly implemented) |
| buu | jfroebe: Please no more names involving ::Simple |
| rindolf | buu: ::Tiny |
| jfroebe | WWW::Flickr is a good possibility |
| buu | Thanks rindolf. |
| mofino | hah tiny is the new simple |
| rindolf | ::Minimal. |
| buu | ::SeriouslyfuckingSmall |
| rindolf | ::NotEnough |
| rindolf | ::GargantuanlySmall |
| rindolf | ::Minuscule |
| apeiron | ::Warning::Uses::XML::Simple::And::Thus::Has:: Terrible::Performance::And::Memory::Usage |
| Fah | ::Deficient |
| mofino | stay in the Flickr:: space |
| rindolf | apeiron++ |
| mofino | if there already is one |
| jfroebe | mofino.. that's the problem what to name it |
| nadim | ::Nano |
| nadim | that should be small enough and it sounds serious |
| mofino | jfroebe, something in Flickr:: ;) |
| rindolf | ::Femto |
| jfroebe | lol - understood |
| mofino | jfroebe, ::Improved ::Modern ::Lite ::Tiny ::FUCKYEAH |
| rindolf | jfroebe: a Rose by any other name... |
| mofino | IS A DUCK |
| rindolf | I think half the posts to module-authors are about "How shall I name this module?" |
| mofino | haha |
| ik | I use perlmonks for that ^_^ |
| rindolf | jfroebe: I'm not a fan of XML::Simple either. |
| mofino | XML::Simple is teh awesome |
| ik | 1; |
| ik | XML::Simple is teh sux |
| mofino | whatever |
| ik | "this could be an arrayref or a hashref or a nothingref depending on how many thingies were in your doo-dad" |
| mofino | force it |
| ik | yes |
| mofino | but yeah, that is a bit annoying |
| rindolf | ik++ - my thoughts exactly. |
| mofino | OH SUDDEN HASHREF |
| apeiron | XML::Simple is the MySQL of XML parsers. |
| mofino | haha |
| mofino | ahh mysql, DOOOMED |
| rindolf | Haha # apeiron++ |
| kent\n | lol @ > apeiron |
| drforr | There's a reason it's called "Simple." You'll find out about 3 days after you start using it. |
| kent\n | would it be anything releated to being feature-incomplete |
| drforr | That would be be why it's "simple". |
| jfroebe | but for simple XML data (i.e. Flickr's REST API), it is more than sufficient |
| kent\n | define "simple" XML |
| kent\n | $xml = '<' # already too complex |
| jfroebe | kent - lol |
| jfroebe | :) |
| jfroebe | thoughts on Flickr::YA::API ? |
| jfroebe | for a name |
| mofino | jfroebe, YA? |
| jfroebe | yet another |
| mofino | ... |
| mofino | just pick a name |
| mofino | Flickr::API |
| mofino | oh, nevermind |
| jfroebe | mofino - now you see.. all the good ones are taken ;-) |
| mofino | maybe you had it at Flickr::Simple2 |
| kent\n | Flickr::API:: something |
| kent\n | or something |
| mofino | kent\n, namespace already in use |
| rindolf | Flickr::Two |
| mofino | jfroebe, since your API is an improvement over Simple |
| nadim | mst: lol |
| kent\n | Flickr::API::SucksLess |
| rindolf | jfroebe: you can call it Flickr::Jfroebey |
| jfroebe | mofino, I think you might be right. |
| kent\n | Flicker::API::FAFINAFA |
| jfroebe | rindolf - lol ... my head is already big enough lol |
| mofino | jfroebe, i mean, if that's what it is, it shows a clear progression from Simple |
| kent\n | ( Flicker::API::FAFINAFA is not a flickr api ) |
| nadim | Flicker::rekcilF |
| rindolf | jfroebe: I have released Spork::Shlomify with some random changes to Spork that I needed. |
| rindolf | Well, I use subclassing to implement them. |
| jfroebe | lmao |
| apeiron | You forked that spork! |
| rindolf | apeiron: it's not a fork! It's an improved spork! |
| rindolf | Flickr::Bettr |
| kent\n | Flickr::Strobe |
| kent\n | ( its a bit brighter ) |
| kent\n | Flickr::OnAndOff |
| nadim | Flickr::FullBeam |
| nadim | Flickr::FullLights |
| kent\n | Flickr::2009 |
| mofino | Flickr::Meat |
| kent\n | that way somebody will be able to invent something better next year |
| kent\n | and call it Flickr::2010 |
| mofino | Flickr::rkcilF |
| mofino | Flickr::Barbie::Edition |
| mofino | Flickr::Nuts |
| nadim | Flickr::3b0f3a25d07e5d9dbdf98db15ee70410 (and no, it is not random) |
| mofino | Flickr::911wasaninsidejob |
| nadim | hehe |
| mofino | haha |
| jfroebe | thanks guys :) I've requested the Flickr::Simple2 namespace via pause |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | "A rose by any other name…" (and a little on XML::Simple) |
Whatever
| Mel|work | Yaakov: icke==troll? |
| rindolf | Mel|work: no, he's not a troll. |
| Yaakov | Mel|work: No, icke is just... enthusiastic about "channel purity" |
| Mel|work | k.... |
| * rindolf | hates when people abuse the == operator in English for "contained in" |
| apeiron | rindolf, "icke contained in troll"? That's not what Mel|work meant. |
| tarbo | sure he did, if you make troll a set of users |
| rindolf | apeiron: what he meant by icke == troll is that icke belongs to the set of trolls. |
| rindolf | apeiron: not that every troll in the world is icke. |
| apeiron | rindolf, No, he was asking if icke is a troll. |
| icke | $icke->isa('Troll'); |
| icke | (false) |
| rindolf | apeiron: is-a means "contained in the set of objects with the property of" |
| rindolf | apeiron: mathematically speaking. |
| apeiron | rindolf, Okay, so you're assigning the mathematical meaning of == to its usage in a *perl* channel? |
| apeiron | rindolf, Now who's fiddling with meanings, eh? |
| rindolf | apeiron: whatever. |
| apeiron | 'whatever' is what those who have lost their argument say. |
| rindolf | apeiron: whatever. |
| apeiron | ^ QED |
| rindolf | apeiron: whatever. |
| PerlJam | apeiron: I thought that's what people who don't care say. |
| apeiron | PerlJam, If one doesn't care, they wouldn't respond. |
| PerlJam | apeiron: whatever |
| PerlJam | ;-) |
| rindolf | LOL. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Whatever |
Dishsort
| rindolf | My father and I joked about sorting the dishes in the dishwasher. |
| rindolf | My father said: "If you won't sort the dishwasher, the dishwasher won't be sorted." |
| Loci64 | rindolf: bubble sort *g* |
| icke | dishsort |
| rindolf | Then I said "No, it won't be sorted by me." |
| rindolf | So he said "No, it won't be sorted at all. We will throw the dishwasher." |
| rindolf | "Along with all the dishes." |
| rindolf | Loci64: bubble sort is inefficient. |
| rindolf | Loci64: you should use quicksort or mergesort. |
| whoppix | or bashsort, or heapsort! |
| icke | yeah, but thorough. |
| rindolf | Loci64: or for small values of "N" - insertion sort. |
| whoppix | although I can't remember if those were stable. |
| rindolf | whoppix: what is bashsort? |
| icke | that matters for a dishwasher |
| EvanCarroll | /bin/sort |
| EvanCarroll | duh |
| Loci64 | hehe, but dishwashers usually have medium to large numbers of N ;-) maybe trashsort solves the problem |
| rindolf | EvanCarroll: perldoc -f sort is more portable. |
| whoppix | rindolf, shellsort, not bashsort, sorry :) |
| rindolf | But I'll need to build a robot to use it with the dishes. |
| icke | cshsort |
| EvanCarroll | here must be a trillion sorting algos |
| EvanCarroll | and 9/10 of them are total shit |
| EvanCarroll | and inferior in every way. |
| EvanCarroll | This sorting algorithem is coveted if you KNOW that only one value is out of perfect order and it sits in the second to last position of the input. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | dishsort |
Good scalar localtime()
| rindolf | Good localtime(), #perl! |
| sproingie | rindolf: good scalar localtime to you |
| rindolf | sproingie: oooh! scalar context. |
| sproingie | well i didn't want to make ya parse it |
| rindolf | sproingie: it is implied however. |
| sproingie | (er unparse it) |
| rindolf | Good strftime($format, localtime()). |
| rindolf | But better use DateTime. |
| rindolf | Or something. |
| icke | sub good ($$$) { ... } |
| rindolf | icke: yes. |
| rindolf | eval: good localtime(), #perl! |
| buubot3 | rindolf: ERROR: syntax error at (eval 21) line 1, near "good localtime" |
| Altreus | eval: 'hi rindolf how is your '.scalar localtime.'?' |
| buubot3 | Altreus: hi rindolf how is your Tue Mar 10 15:43:13 2009? |
| rindolf | Altreus: how is my Tuesday, 10-March-2009? |
| rindolf | Altreus: or do you mean down right to that exact second. |
| Altreus | rindolf: I gave you as much information as I could for you to use as you see fit. |
| Altreus | If you don't need it all you can just take the date |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Good scalar localtime() |
The Module::Build Saga
| rindolf | The Module::Build saga goes on! |
| mst | Module::Build isn't a saga, it's a fucking horror series |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Module::Build |
How to say IP?
| Altreus | Hmm I should have checked the licence on Inline::Lua |
| dwu | orochi_: licence it and people will steal it anyway :) |
| Yaakov | Well, you can try to steal that, but it would be like a mouse stealing a battle tank. |
| dwu | Altreus: you mean acronym? |
| Altreus | Perl license |
| Altreus | dwu: n |
| Altreus | IP is not pronounced as a word so it is not an acronym. |
| Altreus | At least not in the original meaning of the word: which is the only meaning given by a majority of dictionaries |
| Yaakov | Yes, it's not a true acronym, though the word now has that baggage. |
| orochi_ | Ip Ip Ip! |
| Altreus | ni! |
| * orochi_ | runs away |
| dwu | Altreus: i say ip... :) |
| Yaakov | IP would be an abbreviation. |
| dwu | also, initials? but isms are cool. |
| rindolf | I see Eye.Pea. |
| dwu | oooh yes. |
| dwu | and dead people? |
| * rindolf | is listening to Sesame Street - Yip Yip Martians |
| Altreus | dwu: Intent is involved; just because you say it as a word does not mean it was meant to be said as a word ;) |
| Altreus | wikipedia knows about it, and has like a million sauces cited |
| Altreus | mostly dictionaries |
| Yaakov | YAPC is an acronymic moniker! BE THERE |
| dwu | Altreus: well absolutement :) also, yumy, i like bernaise. |
| rindolf | I say* Eye.Pea. |
| dwu | hrrrm, the oxford cream dictionary. *nomnomnom* |
| dwu | rindolf: awww. |
| ne2k__ | Eye.Pea.Freely |
| rindolf | dwu: heh |
| ne2k__ | no-one says "ip", everyone says "Eye Pea" |
| Altreus | Ip address |
| dwu | rindolf: can you just -say- dead people, for the heck of it? |
| rindolf | Yip address |
| dwu | ne2k__: provably false. i need an ip address, stat! |
| Altreus | yiff address? |
| rindolf | dwu: I say dead people. |
| dwu | <3 rindolf |
| rindolf | dwu: I say. |
| dwu | you do :) |
| Altreus | I say I say I say |
| rindolf | dwu: :-) |
| ne2k__ | dwu: you can't stat an ip address, only a file |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How to say IP? |
And you coll yourself a programmer
| rindolf | Su-Shee: it's VBA, not VB. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: completely different beast. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: and much saner. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I don't know VB. |
| rindolf | Never had the need. |
| c0bra | _Fauchi95_: alright |
| fuzzix | rindolf: And you coll yourself a programmer... |
| rindolf | And hopefully will never have the need. |
| rindolf | fuzzix: call |
| fuzzix | rindolf: Good coll. Dvorak's tough after spending the day on qwerty :) |
| rindolf | fuzzix: coll again? |
| rindolf | Hmm... there is such a word called "coll". |
| fuzzix | rindolf: That one was a joke :) |
| c0bra | why stop now? he's on a roll |
| rindolf | Wonder what it means. |
| rindolf | fuzzix: ah. |
| simcop2387 | c0bra: a rick roll? |
| rindolf | rall |
| c0bra | a coll roll |
| rindolf | roll the ball. |
| rindolf | rall the boll. |
| rindolf | And go to the Super-bowl. |
| c0bra | Coll\, v. t. [OF. coler, fr. L. collum neck.] To embrace. |
| rindolf | "Rolling is hard. Let's go to the mall." |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | You coll yourself a programmer |
Chuck Norris as a Refactorer
| Su-Shee | 2010 is planned more or less as a refactoring year. |
| DrForr_ | A whole *year*? What physical plane of existence do you reside on? |
| Su-Shee | DrForr_: there's also bugs to fix and systems to care for and things like that. it's not that we're locked into the closet and a year later a new, shiny product is released. ;) |
| DrForr_ | Closet optional. |
| Su-Shee | I'm not a wonderwoman refactoring half a million lines of perl in a week, sorry. :) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: Chuck Norris refactors 10 millions lines of perl before lunch. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: hm. that's the reason.. I'm not as hairy as chuck norris and I don't have a beard... |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: Chuck Norris also wrote a complete Perl 6 implementation. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: I heard, he already wrote Perl 7. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: yes. |
| * rindolf | wants to be as awesome as Chuck when he grows up. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: I envy you. I'll never be as awesome without a beard. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: heh. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: it doesn't matter if you're rigid on the outside as long as you're rigid on the inside. |
| Su-Shee | chuck norris doesn't make mistakes. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: Chuck Norris corrects God. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: I'll apply as his secretary. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: as Chuck's? |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: yes. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: OK. |
| rindolf | Chuck Norris doesn't code. When he sits next to a computer, it just does whatever he wants. |
| Su-Shee | I'll tell my boss tomorrow. Chuck is who he wants. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: Chuck Norris is his own boss. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: if you hire him, he'll tell your boss what to do. |
| Su-Shee | good point. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Becoming as awesome as Chuck Norris is |
The Voices Tell Me So.
| integral | hi perly! |
| perlygatekeeper | hey Chris, hey integral |
| perlygatekeeper | dabreegster, don't know you do I but HEY anyway |
| perlygatekeeper | what's been up? |
| dabreegster | Ignore me, fine. |
| * dabreegster | goes in a corner |
| Chris62vw | dabreegster is the man, man |
| dabreegster | Ah, that's better. |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: yo, yo, yo, dude! |
| perlygatekeeper | rindolf!! |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: what's up? |
| perlygatekeeper | hmmm |
| perlygatekeeper | not much |
| perlygatekeeper | you? |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: fine. Let me recall what I said to ezra. |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: I'm fine. Got into a few flamewars, and escaped alive to tell the tale. |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: worked a bit on my story "The Human Hacking Field Guide". |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: (which, BTW, you appear there (as your IRC nick at least) |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: and now working on the Computer Graphics section of my homepage. |
| perlygatekeeper | rindolf, what the hell? |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: excuse me? |
| perlygatekeeper | rindolf was that someone pretending to be me? |
| perlygatekeeper | I never said those things |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: it's a fictitious story. |
| rindolf | perlygatekeeper: relax. |
| dabreegster | perlygatekeeper: or you could be the imposter right now... or maybe just schizophrenic. |
| rindolf | dabreegster: MPDed not schizophrenic. |
| rindolf | dabreegster: schizophrenia is not Multi-Persona-Disordered. |
| b0at | perlygatekeeper: It's fan fiction from your fan! |
| dabreegster | rindolf: what's the difference? |
| rindolf | dabreegster: MPD is when there are several personalities living inside your brain. |
| rindolf | dabreegster: in schizophrenia, you have one I-ness, but hear voices, hallucinate and stuff. |
| dabreegster | rindolf: Ah. Why is it considered a disorder? MPD could be quite useful... One would have different perspectives on a subject. |
| perlygatekeeper | where's beth, she'll know it's me |
| integral | But how will we know it's beth?! |
| dabreegster | rindolf: Oh, I have MPD then, not schizophrenia. I don't hallucinate. |
| dabreegster | integral: WE DON'T! |
| b0at | I don't hallucinate, but my other personality does. |
| dabreegster | How do I know all of you exist? Am I just a figment of my own imagination? |
| dabreegster | b0at: Interesting... |
| rindolf | dabreegster: Julian Jaynes describes schizophrenia very well in his "The Origins of Consciousness during the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind book". |
| integral | nono, you're all just figments of _lilo_'s imagination |
| dabreegster | rindolf: I'll check it out |
| b0at | he wishes |
| dabreegster | integral: and you? |
| perlygatekeeper | the voices tell me if it's really beth or not |
| dabreegster | perlygatekeeper: The voices tell me everything. |
| dabreegster | Wait, I do have the Voices. Maybe I have MPD _and_ schizophrenia. |
| b0at | Ah, but the question is: do the Voices have voices? |
| rindolf | dabreegster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_Consciousness_in_the_Breakdown_of_the_Bicameral_Mind |
| b0at | And if so, is it your own voice? |
| dabreegster | b0at: And do the voices of the voices have voices? |
| b0at | That's just going too far. |
| dkr | don't worry, those are angels, invest in tarot cards and you will be able to understand them |
| dabreegster | b0at: and if it's not, then could it be the voice of........ integral? rindolf? or.... buu! |
| b0at | buu has other plans for our empty skulls |
| dabreegster | b0at: and if they do, then what do the voices of the voices of the voices of the Voices sound like? |
| integral | *sob* it's the cabbages. The cabbages keep telling me to do things |
| Botje | really? most of the time it's the socks that tell me stuff |
| dabreegster | integral: The lawn gnomes tell me. They're........everywhere...*sniffle* |
| integral | *blubber* the socks are worse, there's moths living in them |
| dabreegster | The lawn gnomes tell me to stay away from Life. They force me to write poetry. |
| dabreegster | integral: *whispering* are the _moths_ the Voices? or the voices of the Voices? or the voices of the voices of the Voices? |
| * dabreegster | goes back to reading |
| integral | *looks furtively around for moths* |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The voices told me so. |
Hacking someone into a hacker
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I'm not good in detecting sarcasm over IRC. |
| rindolf | But naturally sometimes say sarcastic things myself. |
| * Patterner | cuts his Nerd Membership Card in small pieces |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: that's why god gave us the ;) smiley ;) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: not God, but a Russian enterpreneur who trademarked it. |
| * rindolf | wishes we were all speaking in XML. |
| rindolf | J/K. |
| rindolf | Even Perl is not good enough for human communication. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: are you really still that nerdy in your age? |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I guess. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: nerdy or geeky? |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I.e: technologically inclined or having no social life? |
| * rindolf | is both though. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: so let's called it nerky. ;) |
| rindolf | But hopefully once I get a gf, I'll be less of a Nerd. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: what makes you think that? |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I'll go out. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: and stuff. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I also consider to start studying in Tel Aviv Uni. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: and why does that require a girl friend? |
| rindolf | English/Hebrew/etc. or something. |
| rindolf | Lots of girls there. :-) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: going out? |
| Su-Shee | those are language-skills humanities-department girls. ;) |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: yes. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I like language geeks. |
| rindolf | Thing is I think my knowledge of English and Hebrew is too superficial. |
| rindolf | And I lack the discipline to correct it on my own. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: language departments like English are usually exactly _not_ geek-ish departments. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: you mean they are not tech-savvy? |
| rindolf | But you can be an English geek. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: they're not even language geeks usually. |
| rindolf | Or a hacker of English. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: really? |
| rindolf | How sad. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: you know some people just want to have good language skills and read books and communicate. |
| peterrooney | a good hacker will know at least three languages. |
| rindolf | Well, maybe it's different in Israel. |
| rindolf | peterrooney: human ones, right? |
| peterrooney | rindolf: at least one of them should be human |
| rindolf | I know English, Hebrew, studied Literary Arabic for 6 years and forgot most of it, and have some rudimentary French. |
| rindolf | peterrooney: ok. |
| rindolf | peterrooney: I think ever hacker should know Perl, Python, Haskell, C, Scheme/Lisp and Bash. |
| rindolf | And HTML/XHTML+CSS+etc. |
| Su-Shee | thank god I'm no hacker. ;) |
| * rindolf | hacks Su-Shee into a hacker. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: no you won't. one can perfectly well do nice tech stuff without degrading into someone he/she's not. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: don't you like programming ? Didn't you contribute to FOSS? |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: aaand? I can do that without declaring myself as hacker, nerd, geek or whatever. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: OK. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: but it still makes you a hacker. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: trust me, I'm very much not a hacker. really. honest to god not. |
| * rindolf | gives a blue badge of honour saying "Hacker" to Su-Shee |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: too late, you're one of us now! ;-) |
| rindolf | "Resistance is futile." |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Hacking someone into a hacker |
Selling Perl Documentation at Bargain Prices
| FreakGuard | icke, how to start REPL? |
| icke | FreakGuard: looked in the docs? |
| FreakGuard | icke, no. |
| icke | you got to load it from CPAN |
| FreakGuard | icke, yeah, I've installed it. |
| * Altreus | sells FreakGuard perl docs at a reasonable price only $9.99 each |
| icke | perldoc Devel::REPL is the direct way to info then |
| * Altreus | wrings his hands and cackles |
| FreakGuard | icke, thanks :P |
| * rindolf | bests Altreus' bargain by 1 cent. |
| rindolf | Reminds me of what I learned in Game Theory. |
| * Altreus | offers free delivery |
| * rindolf | allows free download |
| rindolf | Of course quality > price. |
| * rindolf | offers a deluxe edition of the Perl documentation for 1,000 USD plus shipping and handling. |
| huf | diamond-encrusted? |
| rindolf | See http://perldoc.perl.org/ for a preview. |
| rindolf | huf: natural diamonds, too. |
| rindolf | huf: Canadian diamonds. |
| huf | well, if <> is natural... :) |
| rindolf | huf: heh. |
| rindolf | huf: not this kind of diamond. |
| * Altreus | compresses if () under several million tonnes of rock for a few aeons |
| rindolf | I also give free spaceships - <=> |
| infrared | heh |
| rindolf | Diamonds are heresy! We need PEARLs! |
| rindolf | /usr/bin/PEARL |
| Altreus | f00li5h: Seems like it! |
| FreakGuard | I prefer other gems :-) |
| Altreus | I suggested to Think Geek that they should do Perl necklaces but they didn't |
| rindolf | FreakGuard: Ruby gems? |
| FreakGuard | rindolf, correct. |
| Altreus | The rare PHP |
| Altreus | Darling I got you a PHP wedding ring |
| Altreus | oh it broke |
| rindolf | Altreus: as PHP tends to. |
| * rindolf | laughts maniacally. |
| Altreus | you maniac! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Given enough suckers, all profits become shallow |
The ApeironPhone
| Enl | apeiron: because I write client side (Provider) which sends push messages to the phone and checks for new mail in perl |
| rindolf | Enl: a cellphone? |
| apeiron | No, a rotary POTS phone that's capable of receiving email, rindolf. |
| Enl | rindolf: iphone, yep |
| rindolf | apeiron: :-) apeiron++ |
| rindolf | apeiron: I want a phone like that! |
| rindolf | apeiron: do you sell them? |
| apeiron | rindolf, Yes, and I have some oceanfront property for you, too. |
| rindolf | apeiron: would you accept some of my copious gold bars in return? |
| apeiron | rindolf, No. I only deal in Latinum! |
| rindolf | apeiron: Latinum. |
| rindolf | apeiron: gold-pressed Latinum? |
| apeiron | yes. |
| rindolf | apeiron: I only have silver-pressed Latinum. |
| Enl | rindolf: get an iPhone, lol |
| rindolf | apeiron: would you accept LeoNerd and nanonyme as substitutes ? You can sell them for mucho Latinum. |
| apeiron | heh |
| rindolf | Enl: iPhones are worthless. |
| * rindolf | conspires to steal the ApeironPhones. |
| rindolf | I didn't say I was honest. |
| * apeiron | jealously guards his G1 |
| Enl | rindolf: now really |
| rindolf | Enl: you should get an ApeironPhone too. |
| rindolf | Enl: chicks love it. |
| apeiron | what |
| Enl | rindolf: pff, chicks dont matter |
| rindolf | I would kill for an ApeironPhone! |
| Su-Shee | ahaem? |
| * rindolf | kills Su-Shee and takes her ApeironPhone. |
| apeiron | ... |
| apeiron | wtf. |
| go|dfish | hahaha |
| * rindolf | uses his RindolfMindReading™ to see who else has an ApeironPhone. |
| apeiron | Put down the acid, Shlomi. o.o |
| huf | like that'll help |
| huf | he's still got ~8 hrs on it |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: I have an apeiron-phone? |
| Su-Shee | where did buu go anyway? |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: you had one. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: before you died. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The ApeironPhone - you know you want it |
use Zaba
| rindolf | Su-Shee: "I always wonder why the people I hang out with are so pedantic. And then I remember: because they are so pedantic." -- a Perl-ILer. ;-) |
| Zaba | rindolf, because they use warnings |
| * rindolf | adds "use Zaba;" to his code. |
| Zaba | oh no, I'm being used! |
| * rindolf | adds "abuse Zaba;" to his code. |
| rindolf | Next: "misuse Zaba;" |
| Zaba | ouch! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | use Zaba |
She can smoke…
| rindolf | She's a hot chick. |
| rindolf | But she smokes. |
| go|dfish | She can smoke as long as she's smokin'. |
| Channel | #perlcafe |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | She can smoke… |
iCanHazPad?
| →johnjohn01 | has joined #perl |
| johnjohn101 | when will I be able to write a perl gui that will work on the ipad? |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: iPad? |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: was it released yet? |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: I think there are Perl bindings for Cocoa/Carbon/etc. |
| johnjohn101 | today.. Just getting sucked by the hype |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: ah. |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: I'm incredibly suspicious of Apple. |
| johnjohn101 | why's that? |
| * Caelum | will wait for the cheap ipad knockoff that runs Android and can multitask |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/ |
| rindolf | 133 links and going strong. |
| * rindolf | thinks he has a link on his homepage or blogs for every occasion. |
| johnjohn101 | they definitely know how to hype their new products. I get so suspicious of the hype. Nothing ever lives up to that type of billing |
| rindolf | johnjohn101: yes, I'm suspicious of hype too. |
| gooshie | rindolf the new apple maxipad is out today.. leave it to apple to create a new device with all the cost of a high end laptop.. the performance of a netbook and the interface of a cellphone |
| Caelum | gooshie: and no multitasking |
| rindolf | gooshie: heh. |
| rindolf | gooshie++ |
| johnjohn101 | will google be able to match it? |
| johnjohn101 | anytime soon? |
| rindolf | Some technologies were not hyped and yet became very popular - UNIX, C, HTML. |
| Caelum | there's no amazingly complicated technology involved |
| Caelum | it's just a big iphone |
| claes_ | nicely packaged |
| johnjohn101 | drop it once and it's unusable? |
| gooshie | ...if they just made a cover to protect the screen.. and then maybe because they had like a cover the inside could be the screen and the other part could then be a keyboard!.. that would be cool! |
| johnjohn101 | gooshie: good thing you have an open mind about the product!! |
| * gooshie | d:-/ |
| gooshie | ..the new apple maxipad... when your laptop is too big.. your iphone is too small and your wallet is too full. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | iCanHazPad? |
Web Development Frameworks
| markl_ | so while i'm on the subject, is there a good perl HTML framework similar to what CakePHP is to PHP ? |
| markl_ | like an MVC style environment |
| markl_ | so i'm wondering if mason is "state of the art" or if there are other tools to consider these days :) |
| DrForr | Catalyst. |
| markl_ | catalyst ok, cool ty |
| rindolf | markl_: there are plenty of other web-devel frameworks. |
| rindolf | perlbot: web frameworks |
| perlbot | rindolf: CGI-Application (and Titanium), CGI-Application-Plus, CGI-Builder, CGI-Prototype, Jifty, Catalyst (and Reaction), Mojo, SweetPea, Dancer, Gantry, AxKit, WebGUI |
| markl_ | rindolf: hmm, way too many it would appear :) |
| rindolf | markl_: yeah. |
| markl_ | what are the easiest ones for people good with perl but not HTML/CSS/AJAX experts ? |
| rindolf | markl_: not that Ruby or PHP have fewer. |
| markl_ | or the most widely adopted one ? |
| rindolf | markl_: the most popular appears to be Catalyst. |
| markl_ | catalyst seems to at least have a book :) |
| rindolf | markl_: it has several books. |
| rindolf | markl_: I worked a bit with Mojolicious, and it wasn't too bad, but it reinvents a lot of wheels. |
| rindolf | Due to its philosophy. |
| rindolf | markl_: I also did some Catalyst projects. |
| rindolf | Catalyst is a bit complicated. |
| rindolf | sawyer: can you comment about Dancer? |
| sawyer | Dancer is a lightweight web framework, it aims to make website development easy and rapid |
| Su-Shee | like all the other web frameworks :) |
| sawyer | for complex or extensive websites, i recommend Catalyst |
| sawyer | but for smaller or not-as-complex website, Dancer is what i use |
| markl_ | ok ty |
| * Su-Shee | wants the one which makes it hard, complicated and difficult ;) |
| sawyer | Su-Shee, true :) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Web Development Frameworks |
Slippers and Perl
| mst | frikinz: but you're welcome to ignore us, just come back for your "I told you so" when the penny finally drops :D |
| rindolf | buu: define penny finally drops |
| rindolf | buubot: define penny finally drops |
| buubot | rindolf: penny n 1: a fractional monetary unit of Ireland and the United Kingdom; equal to one hundredth of a pound 2: a coin worth one-hundredth of the value of the basic unit [syn: {cent}, {centime}] [also: {pence} (pl)] |
| dngor | frikinz: Reflex is still pretty raw, but it's eventy without so much loopy. |
| rindolf | In Hebrew we say "The phone token has fallen" instead of "the penny finally drops". |
| dngor | Is that related to "the other shoe has dropped"? |
| rindolf | dngor: well, it means the same thing as the English expression - "I finally got to the bottom of it." |
| rindolf | Or understood it. |
| dngor | Oh, they're completely different idioms. |
| * mst | beats dngor with a slipper |
| rindolf | mst: :-D |
| Su-Shee | kinky. |
| mst | Su-Shee: wrt the topic ["Su-Shee wants the web-development framework that makes web-development hard, difficult and complicated"], it's called Maypole :) |
| rindolf | mst: heh. |
| rindolf | mst: yes, I can imagine that about Maypole. |
| Su-Shee | mst, avar: thank you so much. ;) |
| Su-Shee | please mail the sourcecode to rindolf who put it in the topic ;) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I can CPAN it. |
| Su-Shee | the topic? |
| mutewit | I have a string and am looking for a quick way to extract all 5-character slices out of it. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: :-) |
| rindolf | IRC-Freenode-Perl-Topic-SuShee-WebDevelFrameworks-v0.0.1.tar.gz |
| mutewit | For eg. 'abcdef' returns 'abcde', 'bcdef' |
| mutewit | Any suggestions? |
| rindolf | mutewit: use subst |
| rindolf | mutewit: use substr |
| rindolf | mutewit: with a map |
| rindolf | eval: my $long_str = "0123456789abcdefgh"; [map { substr($long_s, $_, $_+5 } (0 .. length($long_s)-5)] |
| buubot | rindolf: ERROR: syntax error at (eval 36) line 1, at EOF |
| rindolf | eval: my $long_str = "0123456789abcdefgh"; [map { substr($long_s, $_, $_+5) } (0 .. length($long_s)-5)] |
| buubot | rindolf: [] |
| mutewit | rindolf: Awesome. |
| rindolf | eval: my $long_s = "0123456789abcdefgh"; [map { substr($long_s, $_, $_+5) } (0 .. length($long_s)-5)] |
| buubot | rindolf: ["01234",123456,2345678,"3456789a","456789abc","56789abcde","6789abcdefg","789abcdefgh","89abcdefgh","9abcdefgh","abcdefgh","bcdefgh","cdefgh","defgh"] |
| rindolf | Thrid time the charm! |
| mst | ... thrid |
| * rindolf | hits buubot with a big strict pragma. |
| * mst | turns the slipper on rindolf |
| rindolf | mst: yes, my typing sucks today. |
| rindolf | But f**k it! IRC is not exactly the declaration of independence. |
| pragma_ | ow! |
| rindolf | pragma_: pardon? |
| * rindolf | hits pragma_ with mst's slipper so it will really hurt. |
| pragma_ | why are you hitting buubot with me? |
| rindolf | pragma_: the strict pragma. |
| rindolf | pragma_: not you. |
| rindolf | perlbot: strict |
| perlbot | rindolf: Perl strictures - http://perldoc.perl.org/strict.html |
| rindolf | pragma_: ^^^ |
| rindolf | pragma_: we call the lowercase modules pragmata (sp?) in Perl. |
| rindolf | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=pragmata - hmm.... |
| rindolf | I thought pragmata was a valid plural of pragma. |
| dngor | ow? ow! |
| mutewit | rindolf: Are you sure that generates only strings of length 5? |
| rindolf | mutewit: well, you need to watch from fencepost errors. |
| mst | mutewit: hey, he got you half way there |
| rindolf | mutewit: oh wait. |
| mst | mutewit: how about you read p3rl.org/substr and p3rl.org/map and have a go yourself |
| rindolf | mutewit: yes , you need substr($long_s, $_, 5) |
| mst | mutewit: this is a help-you-to-learn channel |
| mst | mutewit: not a "write your code for you" channel |
| rindolf | mutewit: and beware from fencepost errors. |
| rindolf | like substr($long_s , 1000, 5) |
| rindolf | Because that will be "" |
| rindolf | Or a 4 chars length. |
| mutewit | rindolf: I wanted the length argument to be 5 :p |
| mutewit | mst: I understand, I just missed the $_ + 5 issue. |
| mst | mutewit: right. what I'm saying is, you should have experimented |
| rindolf | mutewit: yes, I know. |
| mst | mutewit: then shown us the experiment and said "I can't work out why this is still wrong, here's what I've worked out so far" |
| mst | mutewit: then we can help you learn |
| mst | mutewit: assuming learning to write stuff yourself is what you're aiming for |
| * rindolf | waits for tybalt89 to come up with a funky regex to do it. |
| mst | (if it isn't, please just throw yourself off a cliff or something, kthx ;) |
| rindolf | mst: I think that's the case, no need to preach to mutewit about it. |
| mutewit | mutewit: I did, and figured out the soln. when switching windows. |
| mst | mutewit: aye. I'm just trying to explain how to get the most learning out of us as well as the most working code. |
| * rindolf | sometimes thinks we spend much more IRC volume discussing netiquette than actually suffering from the bad netiquette. |
| mutewit | But by the time I came back to the channel there was a whole page of "preaching". |
| mutewit | I was using a split method with array indexing and it felt too much like a C-approach. |
| rindolf | mutewit: oh, you split the string into chars? |
| mst | yeah, by the time you've done map, join, split, ... |
| mst | you've basically just reimplemented substr badly :) |
| mutewit | rindolf: That's what I was doing, but the map/substr approach is a lot cleaner. |
| rindolf | mutewit: yeah/ |
| rindolf | mutewit: split into chars sometimes has some uses. |
| rindolf | mutewit: but this reminds me too much of SICP. |
| rindolf | perlbot: sicp |
| perlbot | rindolf: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/ - "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs" - A Classical Text on Programming |
| rindolf | mutewit: see - http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Lightning/Too-Many-Ways/slides/slide13.html |
| rindolf | mutewit: this is how an SICP programmer will implement a simple text processing task. |
| mutewit | SICP, love the book. |
| mutewit | and all the OCaml work this year has given rise to a functional bent of mind |
| mutewit | which is kinda screwing around with my perl code. |
| rindolf | mutewit: yeah. |
| rindolf | mutewit: http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Lightning/Too-Many-Ways/slides/slide12.html - this is the fastest Perl solution. |
| rindolf | At least in speed. |
| rindolf | It can be a little shorter with a regex lookahead, but it's less elegant and slower. |
| rindolf | http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Lightning/Too-Many-Ways/slides/slide9.html - there you go. |
| rindolf | mutewit: did you know how to program before reading SICP? |
| rindolf | I think it's not a good introductory book. |
| rindolf | MIT are going to ditch it in favour of some Python/Robotics curriculum. |
| mst | I think it's only a good introductory book if you know some math and have the brain to follow it |
| mst | it teaches a lot of hard concepts very quickly |
| Su-Shee | mst: from a "I'm from the humanities department" point of view it's managable. it's not easy, but everyone can work with it. |
| tybalt89 | eval: $_ = "0123456789abcdefgh"; [ /(?=(.{5}))/g ] |
| buubot | tybalt89: ["01234",12345,23456,34567,45678,56789,"6789a","789ab","89abc","9abcd","abcde","bcdef","cdefg","defgh"] |
| mutewit | rindolf: Yes. |
| rindolf | mutewit: ah. Using what? |
| rindolf | tybalt89++ # Up for the challenge. |
| mutewit | and yes, MIT ditched SICP in favor of a Python-based intro course. |
| tybalt89 | rindolf: I was off in other windows :( |
| tybalt89 | mutewit: ^^ for 5 char slices |
| rindolf | mutewit: don't use it if you want future generations to understand it. |
| * rindolf | slaps tybalt89 with mst's slipper for golfing mutewit's solution and telling him it's a good idea. |
| tybalt89 | rindolf: that's not golfing, just common simple regex :) |
| rindolf | tybalt89: sigh. |
| rindolf | tybalt89: simple. |
| rindolf | irregular regular expression. |
| rindolf | Maybe use Regexp::Common |
| mutewit | I added in tybalt89's code but commented it for future reference. |
| mst | I'd definitely use the substr approach for real code |
| mst | tybalt89's code is cleverness to prove it can be done; I don't believe he was recommending it |
| tybalt89 | mst: sigh, yes, I am recommending it. It's the clearest solution. |
| mst | tybalt89: I respectfully disagree. |
| mst | I find the substr approach far more obvious |
| Chazz | rindolf, ty. :) |
| mst | but then, I mostly write applications perl rather than scripts, so I only engage in regexp cleverness when actively useful |
| rindolf | tybalt89: look-aheads and look-behinds are dark corners of the Perl not-so-reg-regexes |
| Yaakov | In the context of this particular problem, it's pretty straightforward, but, knowledge of the development/maintenance team(s) would push my choce one way or another. |
| tybalt89 | mst: note it took rindolf three tries, and even then he got it wrong. |
| rindolf | tybalt89: well, I'm not focused now. |
| mst | tybalt89: map substr($str, $_, 5), 0 .. length($str)-5; ? |
| mst | maybe -6 |
| * tybalt89 | turns the lens, trying to focus rindolf |
| rindolf | mst: -5 |
| mst | but it's hardly difficult; rindolf's just having a day of silly mistakes |
| rindolf | Unit tests! |
| mst | I'd expect him to get it right first time when on form too :) |
| rindolf | Some clear code is hard to get right. |
| rindolf | Doesn't make it less clear. |
| mst | yeah |
| rindolf | Most people will not write a correct binary search at first try. |
| tybalt89 | "maybe -6" is proof of unclearness :) |
| rindolf | But the correct binary search is easy to digest. |
| mst | tybalt89: no, it's proof it's 8pm on a sunday and I'm not particularly awake either |
| mst | but your code just made me go "hang on, WHAT?!" |
| mst | then I had to stop and dissect it |
| mst | -then- I saw what you were doing |
| rindolf | mst++ |
| mst | also, the substr approach displays the semantics and the reasoning |
| mst | whereas the regex approach displays, well, line noise, frankly |
| rindolf | mst: why don't we agree to disagree with tybalt89 ? |
| rindolf | mst: so how's the weather? ;-) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Slippers and Perl |
Worst Perl Programmer in the World
| papertigers | is there just a way of importing the global variables in the module from the main script? |
| anno | no |
| nadim | yes |
| rindolf | anno: you can using Exporter |
| anno | depends |
| nadim | but I hope no one will teach you |
| rindolf | nadim: sorry. :-( |
| anno | from the main script? |
| nadim | for what? |
| rindolf | nadim: about the Exporter. |
| nadim | bad boy! |
| tm604 | papertigers: yes. but definitely don't do this: { no strict 'refs'; *{"main::$_"} = sub () { $constant{$_} } foreach keys %constant; } |
| rindolf | nadim: :-( |
| rindolf | papertigers: please design a good API using subroutines and objects. |
| nadim | OK I get it you are all working towards the same goal. making the worst perl developer in the universe |
| rindolf | nadim: yes, someone has to outcompete me. |
| Khisanth | that would be hard |
| rindolf | nadim: I'm tired of being the worst Perl hacker for 5 years straight. |
| simcop2387 | heh |
| rindolf | nadim: it's not easy. |
| nadim | .me hands the black camel to rindolf |
| rindolf | nadim: it involves many commitments. |
| nadim | rindolf: lol, true |
| Khisanth | but at least it explains all the advice you have been giving |
| nadim | hehe |
| rindolf | Khisanth: true. :-) |
| rindolf | LOL. |
| simcop2387 | rindolf: i dunno if anyone actually read the code to Language::Farnsworth they might think otherwise |
| Khisanth | and I am not joking |
| nadim | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Lingua-tlhInganHol-yIghun/ all! |
| nadim | rindolf: when you can program perl like that it will be a good day to die |
| rindolf | nadim: Klingon? |
| nadim | right |
| simcop2387 | nadim++ |
| rindolf | nadim: heh, nice. |
| squeeks | klingon? http://search.cpan.org/~jwalt/Acme-Lingua-NIGERIAN-1.0.0/NIGERIAN.pm blah. |
| shorten | squeeks's url is at http://xrl.us/bhg9bo |
| rindolf | nadim: I'll recommend it to someone so he can outcompete me. |
| * rindolf | rubs his hands with an evil grin on his face. |
| Khisanth | nadim: that doesn't seem to be using the correct font |
| nadim | the module is impressing (Damian is no joke) even the documentation is great |
| rindolf | nadim: we've got a plan! |
| * nadim | hides |
| * mst | dearly loves Damian's code |
| mst | but I really do wish it was all in the Acme:: namespace where it belongs |
| rindolf | mst: heh. |
| nadim | I like his API's. very difficult to find something that is not complete and well thought |
| rindolf | nadim: yes, but he tends to neglect them and then they accumulate bugs. |
| nadim | I could list ten other names here |
| nadim | Ingy! |
| rindolf | nadim: heh. |
| nadim | oops, I tried not to :) |
| mst | nadim: IO::All |
| mst | nadim: not *everything* ingy writes needs to be Acme |
| mst | though, yes, quite a bit of it :D |
| nadim | mst: I didn't mean acme. I think Ingy has a lot of great ideas. |
| mst | oh, you're talking about maintainership |
| nadim | yes |
| mst | yeah, why do you think I got so good at giving my modules away? |
| nadim | what's your secret? |
| tm604 | ingy was responsible for jemplate, I think - still one of my favourites. |
| mst | nadim: first you give 'em commit bits, then you give 'em co-maint, then when they're not looking you make a run for it. |
| * nadim | makes a mental note |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | World's Worst Perl Programmer (5 years straight) |
One Moose Per Child
| rindolf | My Moose-based modules emit strange errors when ran under Devel::Cover . /me is a sad kitten. |
| buu | When my moose emit things I begin to worry. |
| Su-Shee | I don't even have a moose. |
| Su-Shee | but I go to Ikea sometimes! |
| rindolf | "I want a Moose!" |
| * rindolf | buys a Moose for Su-Shee |
| rindolf | One Moose Per Child. |
| buu | A moose in every.. editor? |
| Su-Shee | I'll have to put it in the living room. |
| rindolf | If we perldoc -f fork a Moose-based program do we get two Meese. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: what if it's a Chocolate Moose? |
| Su-Shee | now it's not the elephant in the room noone's talking about, it's the moose. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: real size? living room. |
| anno | Tycho de Brahe had a moose free running in his castle Unraniborg. he found a vat of beer, drank it, fell down a stair and had to be killed. |
| Su-Shee | hm, I could make a nice shower gel with moose milk powder and sell it exclusively to perl programmers. |
| rindolf | anno: the astronomer? |
| anno | yes |
| rindolf | anno: ah, really? |
| Su-Shee | anno: I don't have a castle. |
| anno | few do |
| Su-Shee | indeed. |
| Su-Shee | wise anno. |
| rindolf | One Castle Per Child! |
| Su-Shee | when I do my moose presentation, I'll rename myself to Moo-Shee. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: and rent a Castle. |
| Su-Shee | good idea. on company's expenses. ;) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: heh. |
| Su-Shee | anno: wanna come? I own Schloss Charlottenburg now. ;) |
| rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg_Palace - hmmm.... |
| * rindolf | contemplates what to do now. |
| * Su-Shee | RESTs. |
| rindolf | Maybe I'll watch more of Red vs. Blue. |
| rindolf | Or I'll rent Schloss Charlottenburg . |
| rindolf | Or something. |
| rindolf | I may want to refactor the other parts of XML-Grammar-Fiction/Screenplay. I can live without testcover. |
| rindolf | But I need my Moose. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | One Moose Per Child |
Do we have any doctors?
| dxtr | Do we have any doctors in here? |
| rindolf | dxtr: with Ph.D. or M.D.? |
| munik | I have a PhD in Linguistics! |
| munik | ^ lie |
| munik | :] |
| dxtr | rindolf: I don't care as long as they can treat patients |
| rindolf | dxtr: heh. |
| munik | :o |
| munik | webmd.com |
| munik | might be better than #perl |
| dxtr | rindolf: That question would be fun in combat. "WE NEED A DOCTOR HERE!" - "PH.D OR M.D!?" |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Do we have any doctors in here? |
It's slower
| tm604 | eval: my $txt = "this is a test"; my $rslt = substr($txt, 4, length($txt) - 4, undef); [ $txt, $rslt ]; |
| buubot | tm604: ["this"," is a test"] |
| tm604 | ^ can anyone suggest a neater way of writing that? thought undef for the 3rd substr parameter would work instead of explicitly giving a length. |
| rindolf | eval: my $txt = "this is a test"; my $rslt = substr($txt, 4, - 4, q{}); [ $txt, $rslt ]; |
| buubot | rindolf: ["thistest"," is a "] |
| tm604 | Just surprised that omitting the length for substr isn't the same as passing undef. |
| anno | tm604: sometimes perl makes a difference between "not specified" and undef |
| ishi | tm604: wouldn't regexpr be shorted? I'm not sure what passes as 'neat' in perl :) |
| ishi | shorter, even... |
| rindolf | eval: @s = ("Long string this is a test" =~ m{\A(.{0,6})(.*?)\z}ms); [@s] |
| buubot | rindolf: ["Long s","tring this is a test"] |
| rindolf | tm604: will that work? |
| tm604 | rindolf: thanks, that may be a better option. |
| rindolf | tm604: nice. :-) |
| Khisanth | that would definitely not be "better" ... |
| ishi | it's slower ;) |
| tm604 | hmm, since I'm passing this through SOAP::Lite through a vpn on the other side of the world maybe three times a day, I think I'll have to rewrite this part in highly-efficient x64 assembler with fallback to GPU if available. |
| sacx | nah you need an FPGA |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Mission critical fast |
Surviving without "a"'s
| anno | may be neat, but hard to follow |
| anno | not fore real code |
| Botje | qubit: cute. |
| Botje | *anno |
| Su-Shee | how did you get.. ah. ;) |
| Su-Shee | Botje: clean your a so you don't slide to the q ;) |
| Botje | Su-Shee: switch from qwerty to azerty :p |
| Su-Shee | :) |
| Botje | ant i'm distracted |
| * Su-Shee | steals Botje's a while he's distracted anyway... |
| Botje | give th.t b.ck!! |
| Su-Shee | lAlAlAlaaaaah! :) |
| Botje | how will i cope without .n . key! |
| DrForr | "h".chr(ord('b')-1)."t"... |
| anno | 4in't th4t good enough |
| Su-Shee | *hehe* ;) |
| Su-Shee | take anno's. ;) |
| mst | time for 4n 4cme module! |
| Su-Shee | god what have I done.. ;) |
| DrForr | lipogrammatical perl. |
| Su-Shee | is that the opposite of lowfat c? |
| DrForr | (lipograms are works with one letter not used...) |
| Su-Shee | ah. of course. it's leipogramm in german.. |
| anno | hmm... lipos - fat, lipein - lack |
| anno | ah, leipein |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Surviving without the letter "a". |
What would your nickname imply
| fedoragirl | wait, people use binary packages in freebsd? |
| asarch | fedoragirl, pkg_add -rv <package_name> |
| fedoragirl | I thought everyone compiled from source manually or from ports |
| fedoragirl | :( |
| asarch | No, not any more |
| fedoragirl | I knew it was possible |
| fedoragirl | I just didn't realize anyone would actually do that |
| fedoragirl | I thought it was a gimmick |
| EdwardIII | those wacky devil worshipers over at freebsd |
| fedoragirl | it's funny because my roomate is into demonology |
| fedoragirl | and she actually uses fedora |
| fedoragirl | while I, for the most part, use freebsd or debian |
| EdwardIII | yet your nickname would imply otherwise |
| fedoragirl | my nickname implies a lot of things |
| EdwardIII | bsdgirl would just attract far too much attention |
| Su-Shee | EdwardIII: thanking you for pointing out the obvious. I think, noone would have noticed otherwise. |
| EdwardIII | come to mention it maybe i'll take that nickname arf arf |
| fedoragirl | bsdgirl is actually taken |
| fedoragirl | and I really should find a new one |
| MorgyN | hats <3 |
| rindolf | -NickServ- debiangirl is not registered. |
| Su-Shee | man, lucky for us women, there more distributions out there than women in computing. we can ALL have our own nick! |
| mst | Su-Shee++ # roflmao |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: heh. |
| Su-Shee | yggdrasilgirl, slackgirl, fromscratchgirl .. imagine the possibilities. |
| EdwardIII | slackboy sounds pretty sexy |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What would your nickname imply |
The browser for the social web
| rindolf | LumberCartel: hi, what's up? Long time. |
| LumberCartel | Hi rindolf. Yeah, it has been quite some time. I've been very busy setting up and supporting networks, and creating interactive web sites (written in Perl, using PostgreSQL for the database; good stuff like that). How are you? |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: I have a job. |
| LumberCartel | rindolf: Congratulations! What are you doing for work? |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: I'm doing Perl+Catlayst work for a Tel Aviv based startup. |
| LumberCartel | rindolf: Very nice! |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: and been working on Freecell Solver ( http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ ) and http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/black-hole-solitaire-solver/ |
| rindolf | I converted the Black Hole Solitaire solver to C and it is now running faster, so I ran it on the first 1 million PySolFC deals. |
| rindolf | About 86% of them are solvable. |
| LumberCartel | Freecell solver? What are you trying to do? Make employees feel even more bored at their already-so-boring-that-they-play-Freecell jobs? Heheh. |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: they should learn programming and help me with Freecell Solver. Then they won't be bored. |
| LumberCartel | heheh. |
| * rindolf | is going to delete ~/.flock/ - useless piece of sh*t. |
| LumberCartel | Isn't Flock that thing that spun off from Netscape? |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: Flock is the browser for the social web. |
| LumberCartel | Yeah, that's the one. |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: only I found it to be the unsocial browser . |
| [vlad] | social web? |
| LumberCartel | A handful of my customers still use Netscape 9. They tried Flock, and hated it. |
| LumberCartel | Or is it Netscape 8? Ah, I don't care. |
| LumberCartel | Most of my clients use Opera or Firefox these days. |
| rindolf | LumberCartel: Netscape 9... |
| * LumberCartel | laughs in appreciation for the version of Netscape. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The browser for the social web |
Revision Numbers
| rindolf | jawnsy: no version numbers of what? |
| jawnsy | rindolf: version numbers for your documentation stuff. like a way to download the web site as a tarball, with a version number (maybe even a date) |
| rindolf | jawnsy: ah. |
| rindolf | jawnsy: I'm using Subversion for it. |
| rindolf | jawnsy: I can start making releases with version numbers. |
| tag | subversion revision numbers are not the same as version numbers, and typically shouldn't be used to source version numbers. |
| tag | unless you don't care that the version number is totally meaningless. In that case, you might as well use a date so it can atleast mean *something* |
| buu | tag: Let's use UUIDS! |
| tag | oh, like git? |
| tag | yeah it's the same |
| buu | "Dude, version 91239213912ASD!@#ASDASDADS!@#!@!" is totally superiour to "124912312ASD1242412FF232" |
| tag | They have no real value, other than the ability to uniquely identify a something |
| rindolf | buu: LOL. |
| Botje | well, git's sha1 sum at least identify a point in time |
| rindolf | tag: I won't use subversion rev numbers. |
| tag | without telling you jack shit about what that something is |
| buu | To be fair, svn numbers increase.. |
| rindolf | buu: yes, but an earlier branch can have a later rev number. |
| rindolf | buu: I think Config-IniFiles used CVS revisions as version numbers. |
| buu | rindolf: Uh oh |
| buu | rindolf: I feel the world around me collapsing. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Discussing revision numbers |
SOAP
| Glanzmann | Hello; Is there a perl module that can all a routine with complex typed defined in a wsdl file? |
| Debolaz | Glanzmann: You mean a SOAP client with WSDL support? |
| Su-Shee | wsdl as in soap and wsdl? then there is SOAP::WSDL. |
| Glanzmann | Debolaz: Yes, but I need to write a server as well. :-) |
| Glanzmann | Su-Shee: Okay. I'll try that one. |
| Debolaz | Glanzmann: Didn't your mother ever tell you to not use SOAP? :) |
| Glanzmann | Yes, she did. I'm unlucky. I'm forced to use it. |
| Su-Shee | SOAP - you still feel dirty afterwards. |
| * f00li5h | keeps scrubbing but doesn't feel clean |
| Su-Shee | f00li5h: let me send you one of my handmade hemp-sheabutter-almond oil-babassu soaps. ;) |
| f00li5h | sheabutter! |
| Su-Shee | we're disabling our SOAP stuff. it only gets more complicated every day. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | SOAP |
Eclipsed
| kleanchap | Is there an IDE for Perl? I need to debug some of my code. |
| Altreus | kleanchap: well there's Padre, but you'll spend as long trying to install it ... |
| Zaba | kleanchap, perl has a debugger: perl -d |
| Cipher-0 | There's always Komodo. |
| Cipher-0 | I use Notepad++, but as people here will attest, I suck. |
| rindolf | perlbot: ide |
| perlbot | rindolf: Padre - padre.perlide.org, Komodo, Eclipse (with EPIC), KDevelop, X/GNU Emacs, gvim, TextMate; see also http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_developer_tools and definitely not Xcode |
| rindolf | kleanchap: ^^^ |
| rindolf | kleanchap: and it's in the FAQ for crying out loud. |
| rindolf | anno: yes. |
| kleanchap | Zaba, rindolf and Altreus Thnx! |
| squeeks | definitely not Xcode? but.. but... but... I went to all the effort to make http://github.com/squeeks/Xcode-Perl-File-Templates |
| rindolf | kleanchap: I can recommend perl -d as well. |
| Altreus | is perl+eclipse any good? |
| Altreus | oh right I remember |
| Altreus | I wanted a vim plugin for $IDE and none of them worked |
| squeeks | "is...eclipse any good" what |
| Altreus | squeeks: valid question >:( |
| kent\n | eclipse seems to be one of those platforms which make me wonder what processor development has really acheived in the last 20 years. |
| Altreus | it means you can do more shit really really slowly |
| kent\n | "Gosh, I can still type faster than this, something is very wrong in the universe" |
| thrig | "Gosh, eclipse killed the devo database through sheer numbers of DB connections" |
| kent\n | I'd rather spend time programming, not sitting on my hands while eclipse decides it might work today |
| kent\n | If I wanted to sit on my hands, I'd be using C++ ;) |
| LeoNerd | "I hear eclipse is really nice, but I'm still waiting for it to load" |
| rokoteko | "Gosh, eclipse's spell checker got confused between cvs and csv." |
| Altreus | kent\n: swordfights |
| squeeks | kent\n: so you could effectively hit your head against the keyboard |
| kent\n | eclipse: What your momma causes when she stands up |
| rokoteko | written using eclipse's help: sub look_mom_I_can_parse_HTML_with_regex { $_[0] =~ /HTML/ } |
| squeeks | What was that comment that went something along the lines of "I'm a grown up now, I can eat raw cookie dough and parse HTML with regular expressions" |
| * kent\n | thinks he should compile a list of things to bash and make it a factoid. PHP, Eclipse, Microsoft, # there's a start |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Eclipsed |
Paint of the Bikeshed
| rindolf | Regarding perlipc.pod : in the beginning of the sentence should I write "N.B. If the signal is fired, something bad happens." or "N.B.: if the signal is fired, something bad happens." ? |
| talexb | With the colon, plz. :) |
| rindolf | talexb: I see. |
| rindolf | talexb: and a lowercase "if"? |
| talexb | No, I think that could be upper case .. |
| rindolf | talexb: I thought so too, but the original was the other way. |
| talexb | it's a sentence unto itself. |
| rindolf | talexb: but it's after a colon. |
| rindolf | talexb: a colon does not start a new sentence. |
| talexb | I dunno. My degree's in Engineering, not English. :( |
| talexb | For me, the colon says, "Thing to the left is the title, thing to the right is the content. |
| rindolf | talexb: OK, thanks anyway. |
| PerlJam | rindolf: I'd capitalize "If" |
| sdgvf | rindolf: how about just 'Note:' |
| * talexb | \o/ |
| PerlJam | sdgvf: because he wants to "Note Well:" not just "Note:" :) |
| Zaba | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_(punctuation), 'Use of capitals' |
| anno | Note well: ... |
| sdgvf | most people, even if they know what N.B. stands for, aren't going to note it a whole lot harder than if it just says Note: |
| rindolf | Bikeshedding. |
| rindolf | PerlJam: according to Zaba's wikipedia link, it should not be capitalised. |
| Su-Shee | what it's for nota bene? |
| PerlJam | rindolf: My reading of the article is inconclusive as to what it "should" be. It seems to all depend on who's manual of style you subscribe to. |
| ^Mike\b | Su-Shee: yes |
| Su-Shee | if a real sentence which could stand for its own follows, I start with a capital letter. if not, I don't. |
| talexb | By the way: Don't forget what colour you'd like the bike shed painted. |
| PerlJam | talexb: "color" ;-> |
| talexb | Pffffffft. ;) |
| LeoNerd | Wait.. we're -painting- the bikeshed now? Nobody ever mentioned paint before... |
| talexb | LeoNerd And you're head of the committee to choose the new COLOUR. |
| Su-Shee | "first we choose the color, then we choose the paint." (from my english teacher at school.. :) |
| LeoNerd | $ perl -MConvert::Color -E'say Convert::Color->new("bikeshed")->as_rgb->rgb' => Unable to parse color name bikeshed at -e line 1 |
| kent\n | doesn't the paint type preclude the colour choice? and paint manufacturer? |
| LeoNerd | Hehe.. Now we're arguing about the process of bikeshedding.. Go meta :) |
| kent\n | LeoNerd: you read my mind |
| kent\n | and now I mention that, were' metameta something |
| talexb | Taking things a *little* too literally. |
| Su-Shee | kent\n: it's a lesson to illustrate that color and paint are two different things... |
| LeoNerd | Colour is very complex problem... |
| LeoNerd | A lot of computer-type techies think it's just an RGB triplet, or maybe a triplet in some other space... |
| talexb | And anyway, Google's just patented the primary colours in their logo. But mauve is still available. For good reason. |
| Su-Shee | LeoNerd: luckily, I've learned "color" by actual "paint". ;) |
| kent\n | Yeah, it matters about whats in the proximity of the bikeshed, perceptual colour :( |
| anno | German uses the same word for color and paint, so we need to be taught the difference |
| anno | same with shadow and shade |
| * LeoNerd | takes anno out back to "teach him a lesson" |
| Su-Shee | anno: excellent example. same with freedom and liberty. |
| * kent\n | wonders if the bikeshed has to be colourblind safe |
| * talexb | wonders what colour a duck blind is. Oh. Camoflage. Never mind. |
| Su-Shee | camouflage. you've just introduced french into the discussion ;) |
| kent\n | talexb: what colours are blind ducks painted though? |
| kent\n | wait till we start painting our words, bikeshed synaesthesia sounds like a win. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Which paint do you want your bikeshed? |
COBOL and Slices
| BinGOs | it was someone asking for help with *python* man-in-the-middle script in a Perl channel. |
| BinGOs | persistently |
| rcsheets | why can't they figure out we're all about cobol in here? :( |
| BinGOs | Nah, metallica |
| dngor | rcsheets: They seem to be skipping the IDENTIFICATION DIVISON. |
| rcsheets | dngor: kids these days, always skimming |
| pcard | rcsheets: LOL |
| dngor | I would give him the cliffs notes to the channel, but I'm from a very flat region. |
| pcard | rcsheets: I remember someone once coming in to this channel asking how to port a Perl program into Cobol |
| rcsheets | D: |
| Mimisbrunnr | bwahahaha |
| Mimisbrunnr | really? |
| pcard | yes |
| rcsheets | that's... that's... horrid |
| rcsheets | maybe they were off their medication |
| pcard | heh |
| Mimisbrunnr | that's like asking to port a GUI to an adding machine |
| BinGOs | I am so glad all the drugs, alcohol and therapy have managed to destroy all my memories of COBOL |
| rcsheets | i need to implement a restful web app on my abacus |
| pcard | Mimisbrunnr: lol |
| Mimisbrunnr | rcsheets: it could be done - but we will need a lot of booze |
| Mimisbrunnr | get me drunk enough, I'll program on anything |
| Mimisbrunnr | including your cat |
| rcsheets | Mimisbrunnr: can we do the booze part without the cobol/abacus/etc? |
| pcard | BinGOs: indeed.... I did Cobol way back, and it's not something I care to go back to |
| BinGOs | Though I do still shudder subconsciously whilst watching BSG |
| pcard | BinGOs: the original or the newer one? |
| Mimisbrunnr | rcsheets - deal |
| BinGOs | Whenever they go on about the Gods of COBOL. |
| Mimisbrunnr | Ya R’lyeh! COBOL fhtagn! |
| ZadYree | Huh? what does @array[$arg] mean in p5? |
| pcard | it's an array slice |
| pcard | or a slice of pie |
| pcard | one of those |
| rcsheets | mmm |
| anno | a warnable offence |
| rcsheets | array slice, a la mode |
| pcard | for pie? |
| pcard | warn if pie; ? |
| ZadYree | heh |
| pcard | oh I see |
| pcard | warn "Pie's done!" if defined $pie; |
| Mimisbrunnr | pcard: never warn if pie; rejoice if pie |
| pcard | ah |
| szr | say "mmmmm, pie!" |
| rcsheets | well, warning when it's done could make sense, inasmuch as you don't want to burn it |
| pcard | rcsheets: yeah, like bell/beeper on an oven |
| rcsheets | yes |
| rcsheets | then the rejoice would be triggered when it's cool enough to eat |
| Mimisbrunnr | sleep until ( $pie eq 'done' ); |
| pcard | it's still up to the baker to actually turn off the oven and remove the pie |
| Mimisbrunnr | hrmm, wait no, I would never wake up |
| pcard | Mimisbrunnr: there you go |
| pcard | aww |
| pcard | doh |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | COBOL and Slices |
Who is Spartacus?
| Su-Shee | (I'm not huskypaw. I swear... :) |
| dngor | Me neither. I'm also not Spartacus. |
| * rindolf | is Spartacus. |
| * rindolf | just is. |
| rindolf | I have E-mail again, too. |
| fizztpok | I think you're a figment of my imagination. |
| rindolf | fizztpok: I'm still Spartacus. |
| mst | fizztpok: out of all the possible people that could exist you imagined *rindolf* ?! |
| rindolf | mst: LOL. |
| rindolf | mst++ |
| stunix | yay, I found my Perl-tshirt. |
| rindolf | stunix: pics, please. |
| stunix | #!/usr/bin/perl -w |
| stunix | use strict; |
| rindolf | stunix: don't flood. |
| stunix | with the camel on the back. |
| stunix | rindolf: I'm not flooding. |
| mst | stunix: -w is out of date. |
| mst | stunix: you need a new T-shirt :) |
| Khisanth | fizztpok: now I have to go and kill you ... |
| anno | t-shirt update |
| rindolf | Khisanth: :-) |
| stunix | mst: I don't use "-w" myself, but I use strict; |
| stunix | :) |
| mst | stunix: use strict; use warnings; |
| * rindolf | is a figment of #perl's collective imagination. |
| Khisanth | rindolf was too far away but you seem to be on the same continent at least |
| mst | rindolf: now that I could believe. |
| fizztpok | haha |
| fizztpok | there's a name for this |
| fizztpok | I saw a wikipedia article on it |
| fizztpok | the belief that the universe is your mind's creation |
| mauke | solipsism |
| anno | can't be disproved |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Spartacus and T-shirts |
VXZ Trolling on #perl
| VXZ | Greeting all. How do I get this script working with mirc? I want it to take over the network and serve warez. I found it in some random dark corner of the web from 1998 and I don't want to learn perl to fix it. Also, why aren't my php regexes working on html? Oh crap my parents are home. |
| Altreus | :3 |
| Altreus | you've been here before, I can tell |
| f00li5h | VXZ: I want to ban you, but it's too grand a troll ... i have to admire it for a time |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | VXZ Trolling on #perl |
The Evil Overlords of #perl
| nanonyme | bamccaig_, yeah. Then you can look at Try::Tiny like preaction said and treat DBI's deaths as exceptions. Or use eval {}. preaction said Try::Tiny is cleaner and I guess I'm gonna trust him on that. |
| preaction | HA HA HA THAT WAS YOUR FIRST MISTAKE! |
| nanonyme | ;) |
| nanonyme | preaction, the second is not noticing you completely rewrite Try::Tiny so my computer blows up? :P |
| preaction | nanonyme: no, it's letting me build my atomic supermen so that i can win at basketball against the jesters of dunk, the Harlem Globetrotters |
| preaction | i am no comic-book supervillian, my plans are even more convoluted! that means they're better and are sure to work! like George Clooney in Ocean's Eleven |
| * apeiron | distributes copies of the evil overlord list |
| preaction | what? where am i on this list? I demand a reissue! |
| preaction | oh, wait, here i am. in the footnote "slightly less-evil overlords". |
| nanonyme | preaction, underlords? :p |
| preaction | #lessambitiousperlprogrammers |
| rindolf | wonderlords. |
| pkrumins | press button. get perl. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The evil overlords of #perl |
Perl Ninjas, Pirates and Zombies
| alyx | /w/w 55 |
| alyx | ..fail |
| * apeiron | gives alyx an award for failing that so much |
| alyx | \o/ |
| * alyx | hangs it up in the almighty fail closet |
| rindolf | alyx: :-) |
| alyx | rindolf: :D |
| Su-Shee | 55 chat windows are too much. ;) |
| Botje | amen! |
| Botje | I keep my irssi trimmed to < 30 |
| Su-Shee | I have 3. ;) |
| alyx | Botje: o_o |
| alyx | I have 56 windows atm, before I cleaned up a bit, I was at ~150. ._. |
| woldrich | One friend in each window, and you have 56 times more friends than me. |
| Su-Shee | bah. I like to have real conversations and to really follow a handful of channels and that's it.. |
| rindolf | alyx: wow. |
| perlsyntax | Is there away i can look up my modules with cpan that i have installed? |
| perlsyntax | if i am right. |
| Su-Shee | wow. facebook has a chat too. |
| DrForr | perldoc -q installed |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: you can use a Jabber client for that. |
| rindolf | DrForr++ |
| * pragma_ | gets annoyed when he exceeds 19 windows. |
| rindolf | We should create a #perl <-> StackOverflowish interface. |
| Su-Shee | after gotten angry, I don't use my jabber stuff anymore as well ;) |
| apeiron | rindolf, Feel free to make a shitoverflow interface. Just don't put it here. |
| rindolf | apeiron: :-) |
| apeiron | no, not :-) |
| apeiron | more like /ban *!*@* |
| Su-Shee | who needs all those chats... |
| apeiron | People with very empty lives. |
| Su-Shee | well it fills empty windows.. ;) |
| Su-Shee | or, there's recently chat rockstars and chat ninjas.. ;) |
| Botje | but you don't /see/ chat ninjas! |
| Su-Shee | that's why I have so few channels.. no ninja chatting with me.. |
| DrForr | Not that you *know* of. |
| Botje | http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/100701.html # relevant |
| candide | Title of Botje's link: NICHTLUSTIG |
| Su-Shee | damn. what if a ninja is asking me out and I don't get it because it's an invisible conversation? |
| Su-Shee | Botje: harhar ;) |
| Botje | Su-Shee: if dinner suddenly appears you just married a ninja |
| Su-Shee | in a secret, hidden ceremony? |
| Su-Shee | Botje: was I there? how was I? ;) |
| pragma_ | Su-Shee: your inner ninja will detect it and go on the date, if you have one. |
| Su-Shee | pragma_: ah. interesting. so I'll find myself suddenly in some ninja-restaurant and don't remember how I got there? |
| Caelum | DrForr: mintty seems nice |
| Caelum | DrForr: there's also puttycyg |
| DrForr | It is, but 3 days ina row I've hit that same key combo, and I can't reset it in the dialog box. |
| pragma_ | Su-Shee: no, your ninja will be there while your you remains oblivious |
| rindolf | Ninjas. :-) |
| pragma_ | This is why ninjas engage in rigorous 24/7 training of their ninjistu; so that they may be more in touch with their inner ninjas and be more aware of what it is doing. |
| Su-Shee | pragma_: so I stay an idiot no matter what. ;) |
| pragma_ | your idiot remains an idiot forever, but you can train your non-idiot to overpower your idiot. |
| DrForr | But... shouldn't your inner ninja be hidden? |
| Caelum | DrForr: KiTTy also has the PuttyCyg patch, and only needs the cthelper.exe from PuttyCyg |
| pragma_ | When you have attained true enlightenment of the ninja, then you too will become like the hidden tiger and will enjoy the pleasures of the crouching dragon. |
| DrForr | www.askainnerninja.com |
| Su-Shee | I better not google pleasures of the crouching dragon.. |
| Su-Shee | DrForr: No match for "ASKAINNERNINJA.COM". |
| Su-Shee | DrForr: go ahead ;) |
| mst | whould be ask -an- inner ninja. |
| Su-Shee | also no match ;) |
| Su-Shee | *lol* askdrninja.com is taken ;) |
| Botje | there's also drmcninja |
| Su-Shee | well we could always chose to go down the rockstar path... |
| Su-Shee | choose. |
| rindolf | We should become Perl pirates. Arrrrrrrrrr! |
| * alyx | hands rindolf an eyepatch |
| rindolf | Unleash your inner bucaneer. |
| rindolf | "I'm Guybrush Threepwood. Mighty Pirate." |
| apeiron | Yeah, I've been doing that for ages. |
| Su-Shee | .oO(johnny depp.. hm.. ;) |
| rindolf | And Keira Knightly. |
| woldrich | What does '.oO' mean? |
| rindolf | woldrich: saying something. |
| rindolf | Like a talk balloon. |
| rindolf | Maybe a thought balloon? |
| pragma_ | . o ( This is a thought balloon. ) |
| woldrich | oh. I'm too old for this shit |
| rindolf | woldrich: it doesn't matter as long as you're young at heart. |
| rindolf | And there are no young Perl programmers. ;-) |
| * pragma_ | prefers his heart matured and fortified. |
| rindolf | As "Perl is dead." |
| * Caelum | prefers his hearts barbecued |
| rindolf | Well, that wasn't very funny. |
| Su-Shee | I wouldn't really call mst "old" ;) |
| BinGOs | zombie perl |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I know a Perl programmer who's now a university freshman. |
| * apeiron | sends zombie kindergarteners after rindolf |
| Su-Shee | well dr dobbs agrees. |
| rindolf | Knew him since he was in Junior high. |
| rindolf | apeiron: :-) |
| BinGOs | perl eats your brains. |
| * rindolf | trains the zombie kindergarteners to be mighty Perl zombie pirates! |
| pragma_ | I've always been annoyed by the lack of zombie children running around in Left4Dead, et al. |
| rindolf | mighty* |
| Botje | pragma_: shooting kids is bad mmkay |
| pragma_ | At least Dead Space 2 has mutant baby toddlers you can stomp like fattened mosquitos. |
| Khisanth | but these would be dead kids |
| apeiron | undead |
| apeiron | very important distinction! |
| Khisanth | hmm well really neither, just bags of disease |
| rindolf | Perl vampires! |
| * pragma_ | would rather be a werewolf. |
| apeiron | Khisanth, every source I've read says zombies are undead. so there. |
| * rindolf | shoots pragma_ with the silver bullet. |
| Khisanth | the l4d ones aren't really zombies :) |
| Botje | they're more like 28 days later-style zombies |
| apeiron | eh, modern games get everything wrong. |
| woldrich | That girl in Resident Evil is cute. |
| * Su-Shee | recommends "the walking dead" |
| pragma_ | L4D, Resident Evil, Dead Space -- these are all "zombies" despite however they came to be such! |
| Botje | yes, walking dead is <3 |
| Caelum | I haven't seen the new resident evil movie yet, was it good? |
| woldrich | oh yes |
| Botje | it had milla shooting stuff |
| Botje | what more do you want? |
| pragma_ | I was thinking of the Resident Evil 5 video game actually |
| Khisanth | Botje: multiple millas shooting stuff? |
| pragma_ | System Shock |
| apeiron | plot. thought-provoking themes. |
| woldrich | khisanth++ |
| Botje | pragma_++ # yes! |
| pragma_ | System Shock 2 |
| Botje | my first-born for a system shock movie |
| Botje | (done decently, that is) |
| * f00li5h | nuzzles Botje |
| Su-Shee | Botje: since when do you have a firstborn? |
| Botje | aagh! zomb.. oh. hi kit! |
| Botje | Su-Shee: i will have! |
| Khisanth | Botje: probably won't be done nicely :P |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Perl Ninjas, Pirates and Zombies |
Digits in Variable Names
| jim | which perldoc for doin stuff with arrays? want to copy all but first of one array to another |
| DrForr | perldoc perldsc |
| DrForr | Or just (undef,@new) = @old; |
| rindolf | Also $old[1..$#old] |
| DrForr | Of course TIMTOWTDI... |
| rindolf | Well, @old[1..$#old] |
| rindolf | I think in perl 6 you can do @old[1..*-1] |
| jim | @a2 = @a1[1..$#a1]? |
| jim | not perl6in yet |
| rindolf | jim: yes, but with different names. |
| rindolf | jim: else you want an array or a hash of arrays. |
| rindolf | perlbot: varvarname |
| perlbot | rindolf: Why it's stupid to `use a variable as a variable name' - http://perl.plover.com/varvarname.html |
| jim | wait, are you sure mine is wrong? |
| rindolf | jim: it's not wrong per-ce, just a red flag. |
| jim | what's the flag? |
| rindolf | jim: varvarname. |
| jim | note I said @a->2<- = ... |
| rindolf | jim: well, it's like doing my ($x1,$x2,$x3,$x4...) - better use an array. |
| rindolf | Assuming you want that. |
| rindolf | Yes, what is the difference between @a2 and @a1? What is their significance? |
| jim | @a1 is a complete list of phone numbers, @a2 is a list of phone numbers not yet uploaded to the phone |
| thrig | @phone_numbers! |
| jim | it's like that in the code |
| thrig | oh, okay |
| jim | I'm just not typin that crap into the irc window as irc isn't the most wonderful medium for posting code |
| jim | believe me, my variable names from 20 years ago tell me what they are for |
| thrig | var_name_from_20_years_ago_you_re_still_not_taking_out_the_damn_trash |
| jim | I'm not necessarily at liberty to specify exactly what I'm doing |
| jim | even tho I did so in this case |
| thrig | otherwise the mafia arranges a boaking accident? |
| mfontani | worse; nobody expects the spanish inquisition! |
| rindolf | I'm going crazy without buubot. |
| rindolf | Where is he and buu? |
| jim | well the way you're acting doesn't exactly induce the greatest amount of openness |
| rindolf | jim: I apologise. |
| rindolf | jim: we may have erred in this. |
| jim | ohman, buubot is gone>? |
| rindolf | jim: yes! |
| rindolf | jim: for the time being. |
| rindolf | Don't know where buu is. |
| jim | that's been one useful bot |
| mfontani | eval: @a=1..4; (undef,@b)=@a; \@b |
| perlbot | mfontani: [2,3,4] |
| DrForr | jim: You've got several answers already. Do they not satisfy? |
| rindolf | perlbot: define boaking |
| perlbot | rindolf: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [debian perldoc] [define vrby : vrby] |
| rindolf | jim: I think simcop has put the buubot code on github or something like that. |
| rindolf | Well, good night @everyone. |
| rindolf | An array . |
| jim | DrForr: they do... it's all this stuff afterwards that has me closing, "spanish inquisition", "mafia breakaleg"... it's just unnecessary |
| jim | rindolf: thanks |
| rindolf | jim: well, we sometimes enjoy having fun. |
| DrForr | Shrug. You're the one that brought up "may not be at liberty..." |
| rindolf | jim: seems like thrig's main function, aside from being the benevolent dictator of #perl, is to interject short jokes. |
| thrig | I make jokes about tall people, too |
| simcop2387 | rindolf: yea i have |
| rindolf | thrig: :-) |
| simcop2387 | perlbot: source |
| perlbot | simcop2387: check out my insides (i'm based off buubot, so ask him for his source if you really want to start); http://github.com/simcop2387/perlbuut/ or go to http://github.com/simcop2387/buubot/ |
| rindolf | We can have notbuubot or buubot2 or something. |
| rindolf | Well, buubot2 is varvarname. |
| rindolf | ;-) |
| thrig | it's not going to be @buubot |
| rindolf | thrig: LOL. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Digits in Variable Names |
When to use XML and Popcorn?
| designerjean | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/87521 |
| designerjean | i know i'm not supposed to be using XML::Simple |
| designerjean | but it's only one statement in the program |
| rindolf | designerjean: is it causing problems? |
| mst | yes, and it's the one that makes the $config you can't work out how to use |
| designerjean | maybe |
| rindolf | mst: :-) |
| mst | your exact problem is "unable to use the results of XML::Simple" |
| mst | because you're stupid and XML::Simple is shit |
| mst | please switch to XML::Twig |
| designerjean | ok thanks |
| dhoss | people still use xml? |
| rindolf | dhoss: it's a dirty job, but it pays. |
| dhoss | i guess there's that |
| designerjean | another case of stupid youth |
| dhoss | designerjean: how old are you |
| rindolf | dhoss: well, I'm using XML for some stuff willingly. |
| rindolf | dhoss: JSON wouldn't have been usable. |
| dhoss | rindolf: i guess that's a legit reason |
| rindolf | Because I use them for text and stuff like that. |
| rindolf | And it's hard to do something like <p>Hello <b>dhoss</b>!</p> in JSON. |
| rokoteko | I think its mainly amongst web programmers where JSON is appreciated the most. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: JSON has many valid uses. |
| DuClare | XML has none |
| LeoNerd | XML is for putting attribute markup within a stream of text. |
| dhoss | rindolf: yea i can see that. json is more useful in a cross language barrier bit where markup isn't needed |
| LeoNerd | (mostly because it came out of SGML) |
| rindolf | DuClare: not true. |
| rokoteko | XML is very widely used. that's like saying "I dont need to know Java, because the language sucks" .. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: you're mixing semantics with style here anyways. that would be bad xml. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I was giving an illustrative example. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: then give a proper one. that was exactly how NOT to XML. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: besides , I think that <b> has some valid, semantic meaning. |
| rindolf | And it's also shorter than <strong></strong> |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ok. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: no. bold doesn't mean "be bold and courageous here". it means "print this shit in bold typeface" |
| rindolf | <p>Hello <name>Su-Shee</name>!</p> |
| rindolf | XML is useful for wrapping and annotating text. |
| Dorward | XML is only useful for wrapping and annotating text if you use a properly designed application of XML and everyone reading the document agrees on what the meaning is. |
| rokoteko | XTML vs XDML could derive from XML. (text and data respectively). then of course you should be able to embed XDML in XTML. |
| rokoteko | oh wait. Im thinkin aloud. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I've recently played with an XML-specific compression tool. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: it achieved better compression than xz -9 --extreme but OTOH mishandled some «"» not inside attributes - converting them to " |
| rokoteko | rindolf: what requirements are you trying to meet by compressing xml? |
| PerlJam | smaller XML docs :) |
| rindolf | rokoteko: well, to reduce the size. |
| rokoteko | well, doh. but why? |
| rindolf | rokoteko: like over the Net, etc. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: it's like gzip compression/decompression. |
| rokoteko | rindolf: I yet fail to see the point. :( |
| rindolf | Only domain-specific. |
| rokoteko | why? |
| rindolf | And if you have a lot of it it occupies less on the hard disk. |
| rokoteko | Ah. you have like SHITLOADS of XML ? |
| rindolf | It could happen. |
| rindolf | Java... |
| PerlJam | anyone who deals with XML probably has that much ;) |
| rokoteko | Well, disk is pretty cheap. |
| rindolf | I don't have too much XML. |
| rindolf | Well, maybe a lot of XHTML. |
| rokoteko | I was just curious about rindolf's use case. |
| rokoteko | I was afraid that he was storing some binary data in XML. :) |
| mst | I think he was just experimenting with technology |
| rindolf | Yes, I probably have more disk wasted on .mp3's and .flv's. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I have some interest in compression methods. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: back from high school. |
| rokoteko | rindolf: :) |
| Su-Shee | if you're the company who's transferring 120 years of documents of a car company into something flexible - THEN you have a shitload of XML. |
| rindolf | There have been some recent advancements. |
| rokoteko | So just out of curiousity, that's fine with me. :) Im just nosy sometimes. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I think the wikipedia XML dump is pretty large. |
| mst | I find it's usually safe to assume that whatver rindolf's doing, there isn't a good reason for it. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: there was some stuff about processing it quickly using Perl, etc. |
| rindolf | mst: :-) |
| rindolf | mst++ # Nice burn. |
| Su-Shee | popcorn anyone? ;) |
| rindolf | mst: but it has a huge grain of truth in it I admit. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: microwave popcorn? |
| Su-Shee | I don't have a microwave and I was being sarcastic... |
| Su-Shee | I need a smiley for that. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf-shaped, obviously. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: yes, I was playing along. |
| petn-randall | why not an XML-conform </sarcasm> ? |
| * rindolf | prepares some popcorn and shares it with Su-Shee using the Popcorn-over-IRC protocol. |
| DrForr | What's this about burnt popcorn? |
| rindolf | Popcorn-over-IRC also preserves the butter taste. |
| burnedcelery | you're getting my keyboard all greasy |
| apeiron | ew, butter |
| rindolf | And it also supports multicasting popcorn. |
| PerlJam | butter++ |
| PerlJam | though not so much butter that it makest he popcorn soggy. I hate that. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | XML and Popcorn |
The Ultimate Goal of One's Programming
| rp21 | i think i'm too critical to be a programmer ... |
| rindolf | rp21: do you mean you're too perfectionist? |
| Su-Shee | yeah sure. there's something like "too good code". |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: print "Hello World!\n"; - that's good code. |
| rindolf | Or maybe say "Hello World!"; |
| rindolf | Can't be improved. |
| rp21 | hey, why did my nick change? |
| rp2 | yes it may be perfectionism |
| rindolf | rp2: ah, sucks. |
| rp2 | eg i want to get all columns from a database table in Perl |
| rp2 | now my problem is that i want to write code that works wuith a variety of databases and both on windows and linux |
| rp2 | it seems that as soon as i have found a way to overcome a particular restriction, i mentally add another and spend my time trying to overcome that too, sometimes losing track of the reason i started the script |
| rindolf | rp2: heh. |
| rp2 | if i were a better programmer i'd get through the hurdles quicker and end up with solvesworldhunger.pl |
| rp2 | except that i'd probably finish Perl 7 to write it in first |
| rindolf | rp2: well, some of my programs outgrow their original purpose too. |
| rindolf | rp2: :-D |
| rp2 | except that it'd never get finished because i'd first fix the OSes it's supposed to run on, |
| rp2 | etc etc |
| rp2 | raaaah! |
| rindolf | rp2: you should hire Chuck Norris. |
| rp2 | yes |
| rindolf | Chuck Norris can end world hunger, but he thinks that hungry people make humanity a more challenging adversary. |
| rindolf | If everyone had enough to eat, it would be too easy for him. |
| rindolf | ;-) |
| mino | Chuck Norris also writes understandable perl code... *scnr* |
| rindolf | mino: LOL. |
| rindolf | mino: Chuck Norris can read Perl code that was RSA encrypted. |
| mino | rindolf: is there any difference to unencrypted one? :P |
| rindolf | mino: not to Chuck. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Solving World Hunger using Perl |
CPAN Module Namer in Distress
| LeoNerd | Su-Shee: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/91935 <== see if that runs |
| LeoNerd | That's my "static" demo |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: what is Tickit? |
| LeoNerd | Heh... |
| LeoNerd | Terminal Interface Construction KIT |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: a terminal application's widget set |
| LeoNerd | Think "GTK" for terminals |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: like Curses::UI? |
| rindolf | Only better, perhaps? |
| LeoNerd | Sortof, only not using Curses. :) |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: ah. |
| Su-Shee | ok, first I need food. |
| rindolf | Interesting. |
| LeoNerd | Also, I'm not that familiar with Curses::UI but I didn't think it was widget-based..? |
| Su-Shee | LeoNerd: I have this example open. |
| rindolf | I think Tickit is not too good a name either. |
| LeoNerd | Well. *shrug* |
| * rindolf | emails some Shawarma to Su-Shee. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: did we ask to judge the name? ;) |
| LeoNerd | rindolf: If you want to judge all my naming you can respond to all my blog posts tagged "module naming" |
| rindolf | Make sure you uncompress it or you won't be able to eat it. :-) |
| LeoNerd | And then if people complain I'll send them your way |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: ah, my blogs aggregator is off. |
| LeoNerd | http://leonerds-code.blogspot.com/search/label/module%20naming |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: so we can form the "People unhappy with LeoNerd's names support group"? |
| LeoNerd | You can if you like.. I'm not. :) |
| rindolf | "Hi! My name is rindolf and I think LeoNerd picks up awful names for his modules." "Hello rindolf! We all love you!" |
| rindolf | LOL. |
| Su-Shee | JESUS WHO CARES HOW A WIDGET SET IS CALLED?! |
| LeoNerd | Indeed.. |
| Su-Shee | LeoNerd: name the next one pink fluffy bunny. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: THE NAME IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!111 |
| LeoNerd | Hell, we have a popular OO framework named after a large Swedish animal with antlers on |
| rindolf | Would you use Linux if it was called 386BSD? |
| rindolf | OK, it could be much worse. |
| Su-Shee | LeoNerd: well so the name of a Moose based (there already was a Moose before Perl's Moose by Smalltalk, btw..) widget set will be Ikea. |
| * __sri | only uses operating systems that have been named after big cats |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: that may infringe on a trademark. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What's in a name? |
How Much Infinity do you need?
| Altreus | rindolf: you can make a processor in minecraft yes |
| rindolf | Altreus: ah, OK. |
| Altreus | a computer in a computer |
| rindolf | Let's write a Perl->Mincraft compiler. |
| Altreus | very meta |
| rindolf | Implementing a Turing complete interpreter inside a VM is not hard. |
| rindolf | vi keystrokes (not vimscript) are also Turing complete. |
| rindolf | As is the Game of Life and infinite Minesweeper |
| jettero | rindolf: I can almost imagine GoL, but how is minesweeper going to be turing complete? |
| Altreus | nuts |
| Altreus | that always worked for me |
| Altreus | maybe you have to log in at least once |
| woldrich | bah |
| rindolf | jettero: http://web.mat.bham.ac.uk/R.W.Kaye/minesw/ |
| rindolf | jettero: I have not read the paper. |
| rindolf | jettero: of course, true Turing completeness is only possible with infinite memory. |
| LeoNerd | Ah OK |
| * f00li5h | hands rindolf an infinite hotel, and books every even room |
| rindolf | f00li5h: :-) |
| * rindolf | books every odd room that is divided by three. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: is it א_0, א_1 or something more infinite? |
| f00li5h | it's as infinite as it can be! |
| rindolf | f00li5h: ah, good. |
| rindolf | f00li5h: then I can book room pi. |
| rindolf | Or sqrt(2). |
| f00li5h | you sure can. |
| rindolf | Nice. |
| f00li5h | but you might like something a little more spacious |
| rindolf | Ah. |
| f00li5h | like the rooms between 1 and 2 |
| rindolf | Which room do you recommend? |
| rindolf | Ah. |
| j_wright | what about sqrt(-1)? |
| f00li5h | plenty of space there |
| f00li5h | j_wright: that room's popular, i'd imagine it's booked |
| f00li5h | the biggest problem is aloting extensions on the room phones |
| Altreus | my infinite hotel's rooms have two numbers each, being a point on the complex plane |
| Altreus | it increases address lookup time |
| Altreus | also the hotel happens to be all one floor so that helps |
| j_wright | so they get two sets of addresses? |
| j_wright | polar too |
| f00li5h | take the ⧜th left, and then head down ∞th right |
| Altreus | no just one |
| Altreus | each room is unique |
| j_wright | or turn n degrees and go m forward |
| Altreus | oh yes I suppose you could map their addresses to a new coordinate space but that's true of any plane with a landmark |
| Altreus | the car park is at 0,i fyi |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Inifinite Hotel |
Perl Shrinks
| Su-Shee | mst: would you like to talk about your problems now too? PerlJam? How's your marriage? Anyone recently went alcoholic? Also, would you all like to know how about my father? ;) |
| mauke | use less qw(acid); |
| * PerlJam | hugs Su-Shee ... a little too tightly. |
| tm604 | less acid | more perl |
| Su-Shee | PerlJam: for sarcasm? ;) that's new :) |
| PerlJam | Su-Shee: It's the #perl6 in me. ETOOMANYHUGS :) |
| Su-Shee | PerlJam: HARHAR :) |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: heh. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee++ # good burn. |
| rindolf | Su-Shrink. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: your nick has multiple hidden meanings. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: will you sell it for 3 oz. of gold? |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Su-Shrink |
How Can I Switch off the T.V. - #perl style
(This bit was posted anonymously to a pastebot on 23 March, 2011. It is placed her for posterity after some editing.)
Question: how can I switch off my TV?
What he wants to hear? For example: Locate on/off button your TV remote a press it. The button is usually red and located at the topmost line on the remote.
The #perl expert's answer: First, what do you mean with "switch off"? Define it first. Nopaste your TV, TV remote and the living room too.
After a nopaste:
Your room is ugly. And the TV looks terrible. Use Mr. Clean on the screen and clean your living room first. Use three cleaning mops instead of two. Use HDMI and never use scart (?) connectors, unless you really want to. Your TV remote has unreadable buttons, clean up first. You're a beginner, so read:
- http://experts.blog/how_to_design_a_future_3D_TV.html
- http://experts.blog/the_basics_of_tv_repairing.html
- http://experts.blog/viruses_in_living_room_short_essay.html
- http://experts.blog/global_chip_replacement_guide.html
IRC guest: But, i don't want be a TV expert.
Answer: Why do you want to switch the TV on then?!
| Author | Anonymous |
| Work | Pastebin Paste |
Cats in Soviet Russia
| rindolf | Mithaldu: I think most contemporary T.V. kinda sucks. |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: it seems very phony. |
| Mithaldu | rindolf: same, i haven't actually switched on my tv in five years |
| rindolf | I prefer a YouTube video of a kitten riding on a turtle. |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: :-) |
| Mithaldu | :D |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: yes. |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: there is one, BTW. |
| Mithaldu | oh i do not doubt that |
| rindolf | Don't know if it's authentic. |
| rindolf | I saw a friendly cat today, and he purred after I scratched his head. |
| rindolf | I like Friendly cats. |
| rindolf | I think lolcats are very subversive. |
| rindolf | Or were. |
| rindolf | "Ceiling cat is watching you" |
| Mithaldu | cats are the definition of subversive |
| Mithaldu | they adopt you |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: heh. |
| rindolf | In Soviet Russia, cats own you! |
| rindolf | In Soviet Russia, cats are your master! |
| rindolf | Well, in Soviet Russia and everywhere. |
| kent\n | rindolf: you got it backwards. |
| kent\n | In soviet russia, cats are actually your pets. |
| Mithaldu | hahaha |
| rindolf | kent\n: heh. |
| rindolf | kent\n++ |
| rindolf | I feel better now. |
| rindolf | Empowered but calm. |
| rindolf | Thanks to the cats jokes. |
| Mithaldu | world healing by cat jokes |
| rindolf | Hopefully, I'll sleep well tonight. |
| kent\n | Next on the agenda. DICK JOKES! |
| rindolf | Mithaldu: cats are good for healing I think. |
| rindolf | kent\n: NO!!!!! |
| kent\n | ( don't worry, this won't take long ) |
| Mithaldu | yes, as long as you do not own cables |
| Mithaldu | kent\n: you mean it won't BE very long |
| Mithaldu | hurr hurr |
| rindolf | kent\n: I've got 99 problems but kent\n ain't one. |
| kent\n | ;) |
| Channel | #perl-cats |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Cats in Soviet Russia |
Violent Cats and Astrology
| * f00li5h | paws at apeiron |
| * WinstonSmith | hisses at f00li5h |
| * f00li5h | pounces on that WinstonSmith critter |
| * WinstonSmith | scratches that f00li5h and hides under the sofa |
| * Su-Shee | gets a bucket of cold water. |
| * WinstonSmith | meows at f00li5h quickly before Su-Shee comes with that water |
| * Khisanth | blasts WinstonSmith with a firehose |
| WinstonSmith | garbl grbl garblll |
| * apeiron | shakes fist at 'variable length lookbehind not supported' |
| * apeiron | also shakes fist at $CLIENT speccing against a regex a stupid jquery dev wrote instead of the well-tested module |
| Khisanth | you can change it into (?: | | | ) in at least some cases |
| * WinstonSmith | jumps on top of the wardrobe, dries himself and glares menacingly at Khisanth |
| apeiron | THIS IS WHY WE USE THE MODULES, DAMNIT, BECAUSE APEIRON SUCKS AT REGEX |
| apeiron | THIS IS ALSO WHY APEIRON SUCKS AT REGEX |
| LeoNerd | IS THIS WHY WE ARE SHOUTING? |
| * Khisanth | grabs an apeiron and throws it at WinstonSmith |
| apeiron | I get shouty when $CLIENTs spec stupidity. |
| apeiron | @CLIENT? $CLIENTs? |
| Khisanth | got shout at client then :) |
| * WinstonSmith | nuzzles apeiron to calm him down |
| apeiron | WinstonSmith, that doesn't remove the stupidity from the spec.=\ |
| WinstonSmith | apeiron, maybe the stupidity is in $CLIENT ? |
| apeiron | yes, I know that. |
| * WinstonSmith | considers the nuzzling having effect - he disabled the caps key ; -) |
| * apeiron | just shouts into loudbot |
| rindolf | Cat violence! |
| rindolf | Felix Felini Lupus est! |
| WinstonSmith | felix perlus aggressivus! |
| rindolf | WinstonSmith: Latin! |
| WinstonSmith | rindolf, pseudo! |
| rindolf | WinstonSmith: yes, true. Mock-Latin. |
| WinstonSmith | ah so you have pseudo in english? |
| rindolf | How do you say "A cat to a cat is a wolf" in Latin? |
| rindolf | WinstonSmith: there is pseudo there. |
| SpiceWork | leo ripanus ! |
| rindolf | SpiceWork: what does that mean? |
| rindolf | Leo is lion, right? |
| WinstonSmith | leo is the king |
| SpiceWork | no idea. a wine I loved, but year that followed sucked. |
| rindolf | LeoNerd. |
| ne2k | leonidas |
| SpiceWork | *the year that |
| LeoNerd | Correct |
| rindolf | /nick TauNerd |
| rindolf | /nick TaurusNerd |
| SpiceWork | european wine quality varies too much :\ |
| LeoNerd | Hehe.. I could go through all the zodiac signs :) |
| LeoNerd | /nick CapricornNerd |
| apeiron | LeoNerd, /nick FishNerd? |
| apeiron | Somehow that doesn't have the same ring to it... |
| LeoNerd | Pices surely? |
| apeiron | Pisces. |
| LeoNerd | Er, yes.. them :) |
| rindolf | I don't believe in Astrology because I'm a Taurus and Tauri never believe in Astrology. |
| rindolf | </old-joke> |
| Simplicity | ...Lol. |
| * Su-Shee | is a Leo-Shee. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ah, you're a Leo too? |
| Simplicity | I don't exactly /follow/ Astrology, but I believe some horoscopes hit spot on. |
| apeiron | They're vague enough to apply to anyone. |
| rindolf | Simplicity: there was something about a survey where people read the Astrological forecast either before or after the week, and those that read it aferwards said it did not happen to them. |
| Su-Shee | well I choose only the good one and manipulate the day accordingly ;) |
| Simplicity | Heh |
| WinstonSmith | Su-Shee++ |
| SpiceWork | I was really dissapointed on how superstitious japanese people are at first. then I stopped idiolzing them :p |
| Su-Shee | but I'm a firm believer in compenent manipulation anyways ;) |
| Simplicity | apeiron: I didn't want to go there as to not offend any possible believers. |
| LeoNerd | I find them interesting. Usually they're completely off the mark, but just occasionally they give me something interesting to think about, something to focus my mind on.. reminding me something I sortof knew anyway |
| apeiron | Simplicity, If people can't tolerate the truth, they shouldn't be on the internet. :) |
| WinstonSmith | apeiron, omg there is truth on the internetz? |
| apeiron | yes! |
| Simplicity | WinstonSmith: Everything you read on the Internet is true! |
| * WinstonSmith | double-facepalms |
| WinstonSmith | i knew all that stuff about the lizard people could'nt be a lie |
| * WinstonSmith | notches the paranoia up |
| Simplicity | WinstonSmith: The only "lizard people" I have ever heard about is the Illuminati. |
| WinstonSmith | Simplicity, well Cheney was on of them ;-) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Nobody heard of Perlian cats |
Paid version of CPAN
| elb0w` | Let’s start a paid version of cpan |
| elb0w` | same exact modules |
| elb0w` | but charge for them |
| elb0w` | add Pro:: namespace |
| apeiron | no, Enterprise:: |
| elb0w` | haha yes |
| jdv79 | the longer the better |
| mauke | 402 Payment required |
| elb0w` | more offical |
| winmutt | Drmauke |
| DrForr | That site just sets off alarm bells here. |
| rindolf | CPAY |
| winmutt | the fact that any code is obfuscated greately bring into question the quality of it |
| winmutt | base64 or otherwise |
| elb0w` | the funny thing is that if this was real I bet some firms would use it |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | There's no such thing as a free download. |
Whitespace in Python
| sizz | whitespace in python is not a problem, just lay out all the whitespace first, then add the code around it |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Whitespace in Python |
Interesting vs. Successful
There's a negative correlation between “interesting” and “successful”.
| Author | Anno on Freenode's #perl |
Sweat
| cl0ud | glorious meeting this morning |
| rindolf | cl0ud: hi. |
| * rindolf | cl0ud |
| * cl0ud | rindolf |
| rindolf | cl0ud: sup? |
| cl0ud | chillin |
| rindolf | cl0ud: yes, it is chilly here. |
| * rindolf | moves his services to the cl0ud |
| cl0ud | we live in a cloud world |
| railbait_lite | So, loudbot has 10k tweets |
| railbait_lite | Pratty sweat |
| rindolf | railbait_lite: sweet? |
| railbait_lite | Yeah |
| rindolf | Gotta make you sweat. |
| railbait_lite | haha |
| railbait_lite | Yeah meant to make it sound weird |
| railbait_lite | Thus the "pretty" misspelling as well |
| rindolf | Sweat Beat. |
| rindolf | Like Lemon Demon. |
| railbait_lite | haha |
| rindolf | loudbot: TWITTER ALL THE WAY UP! |
| loudbot | rindolf: GOOGLE BROKE YOUTUBE, EVERYONE REJOICE |
| Channel | #perlcafe |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Sweat |
Round Numbers
| hemanth | meow! |
| rindolf | hemanth: meow. |
| rindolf | hemanth: still no IRC at work? |
| hemanth | nope :/ |
| rindolf | hemanth: did you talk with the sys-admins? |
| hemanth | rindolf: it seems more like freenode have blocked the IP |
| hemanth | hang on |
| hemanth | "You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 6000 min. - Please do not harass users on freenode. If in error, please contact mailto:kline@freenode.net. Thanks! (2011/11/1 06.24)" |
| rindolf | hemanth: ah. |
| simcop2387 | hemanth: what did you do? |
| LeoNerd | 6000 minutes. 100 hours. |
| LeoNerd | 4 days 4 hours. A weird number |
| simcop2387 | farnsworth: 6000 minutes -> days |
| farnsworth | simcop2387: (25/6 /* apx (4.16666666666666) */) |
| hemanth | heh heh |
| simcop2387 | LeoNerd: i think it was entirely because 100 hours is a "round number" |
| Altreus | 0, 6, 8, 9 are round numbers |
| Altreus | The rest are a bit pointy |
| Altreus | maybe sometimes a 3 depending on font |
| Altreus | but it still has a pointy bit |
| rindolf | Altreus: heh. |
| rindolf | Altreus: actually, they are round digits. |
| Altreus | bah, you win |
| simcop2387 | 1 isn't round |
| Channel | #perl-cats |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Round Numbers |
Negative Lookbehinds
| GordonFreeman | hi |
| rindolf | Hi GordonFreeman |
| GordonFreeman | grep -Po '(?<=<a )(?<! href=)(?<= href=["]*)[^">]+' <<< '<a gfasg href=asdf>' |
| GordonFreeman | grep: lookbehind assertion is not fixed length |
| rindolf | GordonFreeman: grep is PCRE - it's not Perl. |
| rindolf | perlbot: pcre |
| Altreus | GordonFreeman: don't use regex for HTML |
| perlbot | rindolf: PCRE is not Perl. It lacks several features of Perl regexes. Don't bother asking for help with a PCRE pattern in a Perl channel as the answers will not be relevant. Try #regex, or the channel for your language. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCRE#Differences_from_Perl and LPBD. |
| GordonFreeman | but this should work i think. |
| mauke | no, it shouldn't |
| GordonFreeman | though it fails at the second lookbehind ... |
| mauke | no, it doesn't |
| GordonFreeman | and fails at "* too |
| GordonFreeman | (grep -Po '<a +.* +href="*[^" >]+' | grep -Po '(?=<a ).*' | grep -Po '(?<= href=)["]*[^" >]+') <<< '<a gfasg href=asdf><a fgfgg="hi> " href="link" >' |
| GordonFreeman | this works. |
| mauke | GordonFreeman: dude. |
| anno | don't paste! |
| GordonFreeman | hi mauke |
| apeiron | where's mauke's car? |
| rindolf | apeiron: :-) |
| mauke | it's a cdr |
| Altreus | I watched that the other day |
| rindolf | pkrumins: what's up? |
| Altreus | I don't really know why |
| mauke | GordonFreeman: go to a channel where that is on-topic |
| GordonFreeman | mauke<< like? |
| mauke | no idea |
| Altreus | where on earth is parsing HTML with regexes on topic? |
| GordonFreeman | aham ok |
| Altreus | except ##php lolol |
| GordonFreeman | well i think one can see its logical and it works like this |
| rindolf | GordonFreeman: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454 |
| shorten | rindolf's url is at http://xrl.us/bf4jh6 |
| apeiron | GordonFreeman, also, -P isn't perl. |
| thrig | Altreus: some special level of hell, between the angry ghosts and the hungry ghosts |
| rindolf | perlbot: html |
| apeiron | the grep docs lie to you. |
| perlbot | rindolf: Don't parse or modify html with regular expressions! See one of HTML::Parser's subclasses: HTML::TokeParser, HTML::TokeParser::Simple, HTML::TreeBuilder(::Xpath)?, HTML::TableExtract etc. If your response begins "that's overkill. i only want to..." you are wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chomsky_hierarchy and http://xrl.us/bf4jh6 for why not to use regex on HTML |
| LeoNerd | Altreus: Why, surely in #html-parsing-by-regexp |
| Altreus | if you want perl regex use ack |
| Altreus | surely |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: sounds like programmers' hell. |
| anno | perl regex doesn't support variable-length lookbehind either |
| Altreus | apeiron: actually it says it's highly experimental and hence not working |
| Altreus | it could well be Perl and not PCRE when finished :) |
| Altreus | not that "perl regex" is a defined term, the speed Perl is moving |
| yrlnry | That's why you should never use Perl's builtin regexes. Just write your own package, it's sure to be more reliable. |
| rindolf | yrlnry: :-) |
| talexb | Heh. |
| LeoNerd | use re::engine::vim; |
| rindolf | yrlnry++ |
| Altreus | LeoNerd: is it core? |
| yrlnry | HOP has a nice implementation. It works by generating a list of every string matched by the regex, and looking to see if your target string is in the list. |
| LeoNerd | I can't help thinking that may not be optimal in terms of CPU or memory usage |
| talexb | yrlnry, no doubt they have a Cray working on generating the list .. |
| yrlnry | LeoNerd: Depends; unlike Perl regexes, it has no trouble handling languages higher up the Chomsky hierarchy |
| yrlnry | It is guaranteed to return the right answer for any recursive language, and guaranteed to return correct 'matched' answers for any recursively enumerable language. |
| LeoNerd | Ohsure... |
| LeoNerd | In terms of CS guarantees it's very nice |
| yrlnry | So if you are in a big hurry to get the wrong answer... |
| LeoNerd | But I live in the practical pragmatic world |
| LeoNerd | E.g. Parser::MGC is horribly slow at backtracking and whatnot, but I write parsers in it because those are still fast for "reasonably" sized inputs, parsers are fast to write, and I like having lots of side-effects and dynamic logic -in- Perl |
| Altreus | Unfortunately my universe doesn't have infinite processing speeds and data storage |
| anno | a universe with infinite processing speed would have processed you by now |
| Altreus | and |
| Altreus | would have processed my grandchildren too |
| yrlnry | This algorithm doesn' t need infinite speed or storage. |
| yrlnry | It works slowly, but finitely. |
| Altreus | what |
| yrlnry | The infinite list is lazily generated and you never have more than one of its elements in memory at any time. |
| rindolf | yrlnry: is it sorted by length? |
| yrlnry | You will learn this sort of technique after you have been programming in Perl for eight months or so. |
| Altreus | how do you know when it doesn't match |
| Altreus | yrlnry: :D |
| yrlnry | rindolf: it is sorted by length, and lexicographically among strings of the same length. |
| rindolf | yrlnry: ah. |
| yrlnry | Of course, you cannot do the length-sorting thing for arbitrary languages, but for regex languages there is no trouble. |
| yrlnry | http://hop.perl.plover.com/book/pdf/06InfiniteStreams.pdf |
| LeoNerd | Eh.. |
| LeoNerd | I dunno. I just dislike purely RE-based parsing |
| LeoNerd | I much prefer code doing it |
| GordonFreeman | why can't perl regexp do variable length lookbehind matching? |
| Altreus | See originally I ignored you because it sounded like you were talking shit |
| LeoNerd | Limit of the implementation |
| Altreus | mainly because it is possible to construct a regex with an infinite range that nevertheless won't match a particular string |
| anno | GordonFreeman: who knows? looks like it's hard to implement with the given engine |
| mauke | GordonFreeman: unclear semantics and no one's bothered to write the code |
| GordonFreeman | i see |
| Altreus | Plus, there's a fucking lot of unicode to create strings out of |
| LeoNerd | It's not "hard" to implement. It's impossible given the algorithm being used |
| mauke | LeoNerd: why impossible? |
| yrlnry | LeoNerd: I don't think that's true. It could be done using a recursive call to the regex engine now that that is possible. |
| GordonFreeman | but lookbehind is cool |
| LeoNerd | Oooh.. yes.. I suppose it could do that now |
| GordonFreeman | its like a reverse regexp that can be excluded |
| anno | vim re's do it |
| LeoNerd | vim uses a different type of engine |
| anno | right |
| yrlnry | Altreus: I was talking shit. After eight months you get a license to do that. |
| mauke | really? |
| Altreus | yrlnry: but there's a pdf |
| yrlnry | where's a PDF? |
| Altreus | 17:10 < yrlnry> http://hop.perl.plover.com/book/pdf/06InfiniteStreams.pdf |
| yrlnry | Yes. |
| Altreus | I didn't open it or anything |
| mauke | no one opens pdfs |
| yrlnry | PDFs are for cowards and Slavs. |
| Altreus | but it lent enough credence to your words that I decided to believe your spurious claims |
| Altreus | Actually someone did a test the other day |
| yrlnry | Oh, does "talking shit" mean "making up nonsense"? Then I was not talking shit. |
| Altreus | He linked someone to articles supporting his viewpoint and they changed their mind |
| yrlnry | It is in section 6.5, "regex string generation". |
| Altreus | but one of the articles was an argument against himself |
| Altreus | Showing that it is enough to cite your sources to be believed; not many people will actually bother to check them |
| Altreus | yrlnry: what do you normally think "talking shit" means? |
| Altreus | are you confusing it with shooting the shit |
| yrlnry | I'm not sure. |
| Altreus | are you foreign |
| yrlnry | Yes. |
| Altreus | ok then |
| mauke | hahaha |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Negative Lookbehind Regexes for matching HTML |
Foreign Birds
| mocramis | though i installed IPC::RUN, i still get the Can't locate from perl |
| Botje | it's called IPC::Run, not IPC::RUN |
| rindolf | mocramis: perl is case-sensitive. |
| mocramis | arf >< |
| Altreus | meow |
| DrForr | *chirp* |
| Su-Shee | tschilp in german, btw. |
| DrForr | Could be handy when talking with foreign birds :) |
| Su-Shee | DrForr: absolutely. also: a german dog barks "wau" and a cat meows "miau" |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: German animals are true German patriots. |
| DrForr | No relation to Miaowara Tomokato, I take it. |
| Su-Shee | DrForr: no, although germany and japan of course had some relations ;) |
| Botje | Su-Shee: oh. that explains 'dr waumiau' |
| Altreus | foreign birds speak the same as local birds |
| Su-Shee | Botje: what's that? ;) |
| Botje | Su-Shee: german mash-up artist |
| Su-Shee | Botje: now you know what his names means. |
| DrForr | Altreus: Mine didn't :) |
| Altreus | speaking a foreign language is culturally insensitive |
| DrForr | (she grew up speaking English and Japanese - Her new host family is coping well, all things considered) |
| Su-Shee | DrForr: now I'm confused.. she -> bird, dog, ex-girlfriend, daughter? |
| DrForr | Bird with a multilingual daddy. |
| Altreus | see I was disallowing DrForr the use of 'bird' as 'girl' |
| Altreus | for comic effect |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What do foreign birds speak? |
Brogramming
| jozefk | anybody with suggestion how can I clean up the code in the way as this tool is doing it temporarily in browser? http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/7188/clean-up-webpages-for-note-taking-or-printing-the-easy-way/ |
| rindolf | jozefk: you can define a print stylesheet. |
| jozefk | I want to clean the page from everything. not only to see it like that on screen but to really modify the code |
| rindolf | jozefk: well, you can read what the bookmarklet is doing and emulate it. |
| jozefk | I see the javascript code from bookmarklet but I think I can't modify real files on hard disk with javacript codes |
| jozefk | and the code is more than 300 lines :) |
| tm604 | sure you can, js runs serverside happily enough, but it'd be just as easy to convert the JS logic to perl. |
| jozefk | that sounds like programing. I thought there is some tool like that bookmarklet which I can use to modify files on HDD |
| Altreus | tm604: except the JS runs on a DOM in a browser, with a browser context |
| tm604 | yes, it does sound a bit like programming, doesn't it? good thing this is a programming channel, so it's hopefully still on-topic. |
| Altreus | I don't think there's a node module that will load an HTML file and create a browser context in which to then run JS on that HTML's DOM and output the result |
| jozefk | :) |
| jozefk | DOM is not so important here I think. because JS is removing everything from code and just applying another CSS |
| jozefk | so the page looks different |
| tm604 | huh, thought there was. the script itself should be trivial to convert to perl either way. |
| Altreus | probably a better idea :) |
| jozefk | yeah, better. one day when I become a programmer :) I will do it. |
| pkrumins | I want to become a brogrammer |
| jozefk | why? |
| Altreus | taking pictures of bros |
| pkrumins | So I can do some awesome brogramming, jozefk! |
| jozefk | :)) |
| rindolf | pkrumins: yo bro! I hurd you like brogramming so we put your bro in your brogram so you can brogram while you bro! |
| nate_h | rofl |
| rindolf | nate_h: :-) |
| nate_h | should it be brozefk ? |
| rindolf | rinbrolf |
| rindolf | pk-bro-mins |
| pkrumins | rindolf: i put a browser in your browser |
| pkrumins | rindolf: so you can browse while yo browse |
| rindolf | pkrumins: bro, a browser is so 90s. |
| fizztpok | broser? |
| PerlJam | bowser |
| nate_h | mushroom? |
| rindolf | pkrumins: KDE-4.8.x-beta-something is coming to Mageia Linux 2/Cauldron. \o/ |
| fizztpok | I search on duckduckbro! |
| nate_h | co-co-coommmboo breaker |
| rindolf | pkrumins: I'll see how much it fixes and how much it breaks. |
| rindolf | pkrumins: and fix what it breaks and break what it fixes. |
| rindolf | To preserve the balance in the force. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | I want to become a brogrammer. |
Count von Counter
| ncow | rindolf: is not { my $c=0; sub getNext { $c++ } } a perfectly good way to do a closure on a variable (that should not be seen by anything other than that sub, sort of like that PHP example with the "static" var <http://www.phpsadness.com/sad/18> and I think similar to static vars in C++ and Java) ? |
| rindolf | ncow: yes, it is. |
| uri | ncow: you can use state vars in recent perls too |
| ncow | but I keep thinking there was a way of doing it with outer and inner subs too, or no |
| rindolf | ncow: thing is in sub outer { my $c = 0 ; .... } the $c is temporary. |
| ncow | uri: yeah I just saw that in perlfaq7 just before you said that, thanks though :) |
| rindolf | ncow: which causes weird side-effects with a package-scope inner sub. |
| ncow | rindolf: but shouldn't the inner sub have a closure over $c though? |
| rindolf | ncow: it will. |
| rindolf | ncow: but every time you call outer() you get a different $c. |
| apeiron | Windows also accepts a sledgehammer to the harddrive. |
| ncow | rindolf: I'm talking about calling the inner one |
| ncow | rindolf: could be interesting to call the outter one to re-prime or something (just kind of thinking aloud, I could be completely wrong) |
| ncow | (please let me know if I am) |
| cj | Botje: that's not the point. Some systems don't :) |
| rindolf | apeiron: Windows requiring doing a SOAP request to a .NET service (that is very picky about its scope) to call an OLE component for writing an Excel macro to do that. |
| apeiron | And for those we have File::Spec. |
| rindolf | apeiron: it's not as straightforward as in UNIX. |
| ncow | I think I found a mis-type in perlfaq7 <http://perldoc.perl.org/perlfaq7.html#How-do-I-create-a-static-variable%3f>, under "How do I create a static variable?" |
| ncow | It says: sub counter { state $count = 1; $counter++ } |
| ncow | I think that should be $count++ not $counter++ |
| rindolf | apeiron: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=joel-forum-unix-shooting-in-the-foot |
| rindolf | ncow: yes, it should. |
| rindolf | ncow: or "$state $counter = 1;". |
| ncow | rindolf: oh shit, that is so true. I hate ActiveX like the mf-ing plauge |
| ncow | rindolf: yes, though counter is the sub's name, I think the var was meant to be called $count |
| ncow | as in the count that the counter counts :) |
| rindolf | ncow++ |
| rindolf | ncow: it still exists in my github fork of the perl-doc-cats repo. |
| ncow | a counter doesn't counter counters unless it is in fact a counter counter :) |
| uri | ncow: go back to sesame street! |
| ncow | lol |
| uri | it seems to be where you learned your perl! |
| uri | use Big::Bird; |
| ncow | but does a counter counter count it self as a counter counter? |
| uri | that is counterproductive thinking |
| ncow | (or does it just consider itself a cunt and thus only count it self as a cunt counter since it only counts cunts?) |
| ncow | ok I think I'm done with that one... |
| ncow | sorry, when ever someone mentions ActiveX it makes me all twichy, and if there is no one around to choke into submition, I tend to write odd things, like a ram memory discharge |
| Khisanth | a CounterCounterFactoryCounter |
| szr | ActiveX will do that |
| rindolf | ncow: heh. |
| rindolf | ncow++ |
| ncow | ooooh now we're talking |
| rindolf | ncow: anyway, how do you want to be credited in the commit log? |
| uri | rindolf: call him the miscount |
| rindolf | uri: heh. |
| ncow | you don't have to do that, but if you really want to, ncow is fine. Necrocow may be me old moniker (and freenode account name) but ncow is what I've been going by for quite a while now |
| rindolf | uri: Count von Counter |
| ncow | so I'm the count of miscountistu? |
| rindolf | ncow: pushed. |
| ncow | cool |
| ncow | glad I could help. |
| rindolf | ncow: you're welcome. |
| rindolf | “One Perl One-Liner, Two Perl One-Liners, Three Perl One-Liners. <Thunder and Lightning> Ha ha ha ha ha ha.” |
| rindolf | -- Count von Counter |
| ncow | rindolf: haha |
| ncow | rindolf: god I still remember that from when I was a kid watching PBS |
| rindolf | ncow: I remember it from the Israeli Sesame Street. |
| ncow | Israeli? didn't know they had their own version |
| rindolf | ncow: they call him there "Mar Soffer." - "Mr. Counting" |
| rindolf | ncow: we actually had two at two different times. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How many counts will a counter count if a counter could count counts? |
Using your Experience Points
| federated_life | holy fucking shnikes mst was right |
| mst | federated_life: you'll find that happens a lot. |
| mst | federated_life: every time I level, I put all my XP (= experience points) into "being right" rather than boring things like "tact" ;) |
| LeoNerd | mst: Not ranged weapons? |
| komodo | haha |
| LeoNerd | Gain enough XP and you actually -can- stab people over the Internet |
| komodo | sweet |
| komodo | I wouldn't recommend stabbing PHP people though, I hear they bleed acid |
| anno | bring a blotter |
| komodo | gotta take 'em out from a distance |
| komodo | ah |
| Khisanth | LeoNerd: do nukes count as ranged weapons? :) |
| LeoNerd | I don't see why not |
| LeoNerd | If it's ballistically launched |
| Khisanth | well it's a bit more ... hmm how should I put it |
| tm604 | I'd stand well clear of anyone classing a nuke as a melee weapon. |
| mst | LeoNerd: "no, gunner, your target is <here>" / "oh, of course it is" *BLAM* |
| mst | LeoNerd: aka, being right allows you to -control- ranged weapons :) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Using Your Experience Points |
Hurting People
| buu | PKRUMINS |
| rindolf | pKrumins |
| pkrumins | BYY |
| rindolf | pkrumins: BUU |
| rindolf | pkrumins: buu is back. |
| pkrumins | rindolf: i know |
| rindolf | pkrumins: he said he was close to disappearing. |
| pkrumins | WHAT |
| pkrumins | buu, is that true |
| rindolf | pkrumins: he was sick. |
| pkrumins | HE WASNT |
| buu | =[ |
| buu | I was |
| pkrumins | HOW |
| buu | Genetic defects! |
| pkrumins | OH NO |
| pkrumins | OH NO NO NO |
| mauke | substance abuuse |
| buu | Owch |
| buu | That joke almost qualifies as abuse |
| mauke | now that I've hurt mst and buu, my work for today is done |
| pkrumins | you still havent hurt me |
| rindolf | mauke: hold on! You haven't hurt me yet. |
| buu | haha |
| * rindolf | is hurt that mauke didn't hurt him. |
| rindolf | Oh wait. |
| mauke | just as keikaku. |
| rindolf | mauke: OK, now your work for today is done. |
| pkrumins | NO |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Are you being hurt? |
The Shouting Su-Shee
| rindolf | pkrumins: have you seen http://weblibs.herokuapp.com/ ? |
| pkrumins | i haven't |
| pkrumins | looking at it now |
| pkrumins | haha |
| pkrumins | hipster wannabe-programmer nonsense |
| rindolf | pkrumins: yes. |
| rindolf | pkrumins: Su-Shee had told us about it. |
| rindolf | pkrumins: a while ago. |
| pkrumins | where did she disappear btw |
| pkrumins | oh there she is! |
| pkrumins | i thought she left |
| mst | nah, she's just been quiet recently |
| pkrumins | right. |
| Su-Shee | NO IM NOT. ;) |
| * mst | confiscates Su-Shee's megaphone and hugs her |
| Su-Shee | I can yell naturally! |
| mst | then you won't need this megaphone back, will you? :D |
| anno | .oO(1000000 phones) |
| Su-Shee | *haha* :) |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Alive and yelling |
A Natural Stupidity Carbon-based Bot
| Altreus | I made a new bot running on a carbon-based AI system |
| apeiron | carbon-based? So it's written in C for a Mac? |
| Altreus | no it's me |
| rindolf | Altreus: you're a natural stupidity system - not an artificial intelligence one. |
| rindolf | Altreus: or maybe natural intelligence. |
| Altreus | well you're a poo poo head |
| Altreus | :) |
| apeiron | perlbot, altreus is also six years old |
| perlbot | apeiron: Stored altreus is a small cat (see: http://avatars.plurk.com/3405142-big.jpg) | six years old |
| Altreus | That's generous |
| rindolf | Altreus: calling someone a "poo poo head" proves that this person has natural stupidity. |
| Altreus | rindolf: But the natural stupidity was postulated before the use of the phrase; hence you can't discount the fact that using the phrase was in response to, rather than proof of, the assertion. |
| rindolf | Altreus: yes, but it still proved it after the fact. |
| rindolf | Altreus: Q.E.D. |
| Altreus | rindolf: Except it is possible for an intelligent system to act stupid |
| Altreus | hence it is not, in fact, proof. |
| rindolf | Altreus: that's right - it has the right to in fact. |
| Altreus | Indeed. So given that it has the ability, the right, and the motivation to do so, it is reasonable to assume that in fact that is what happened |
| rindolf | Altreus: OK. |
| Altreus | You would have to gather further data on the system to determine it. |
| rindolf | Altreus: in that case, calling someone a "poo poo head" has the property of having natural stupidity. |
| rindolf | Or acting under the influence of natural stupidity. |
| rindolf | Possibly artificial natural stupidity. |
| Altreus | rindolf: artificial natural stupidity ._. |
| Altreus | I think your sentence is at odds with itself |
| Altreus | Well, your fragment |
| rindolf | Altreus: it's an oxymoron. |
| Altreus | correct |
| rindolf | Oxymorons are indicative of natural stupidity. |
| Altreus | I gave the artificial impression of natural stupidity! |
| Altreus | Stupid phrases are an indication of a) stupidity or b) intelligence |
| rindolf | Hence stupid phrases are not indicative. |
| Altreus | Quite so |
| rindolf | Only intelligent phrases can be indicative of something. |
| Altreus | Stupidity is an absence, and you cannot prove an absence without first proving an exhaustive set. |
| rindolf | Wise men know they are stupid. |
| Altreus | :) |
| rindolf | Whereas foolish people think they are not. |
| rindolf | The earliest Greek philosophers tried to philosophise in verse. |
| rindolf | Which didn't work too well. |
| Altreus | Maybe they should have chosen a different meter |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Detecting natural stupidity |
Negative Numbers
| tziOm | what is the most efficient way to do: floor($foo/600)*600 |
| ChibaPet | um |
| Altreus | floor $foo |
| Altreus | :P |
| DrForr | Premature microoptimization detected at line 0. |
| Altreus | I think that /is/ the most efficient way to do it |
| ChibaPet | what about int $foo? |
| ChibaPet | or is floor more efficient? |
| Altreus | I think this is rounding to the nearest 600 |
| Altreus | er, the lowest 600 |
| Altreus | int truncates towards 0 |
| ChibaPet | doesn't floor do that as well? |
| DrForr | You're looking at microoptimization in *math*. Surely there are bigger fish to fry? |
| Altreus | ChibaPet: consider negatives |
| ChibaPet | Oh! Negatives. Slipped right by me. Thanks. |
| Altreus | the difference in most operations is evident in negatives, except the various rounding techniques |
| fizzie | Negative numbers, brr, they're just not natural. |
| Altreus | :) |
| rindolf | fizzie: :-) |
| rindolf | fizzie: but they are real. |
| rindolf | fizzie: and they aren't imaginary or complex. |
| Altreus | they're not /that/ real |
| rindolf | fizzie: though they can be irrational. |
| rindolf | Heh. |
| DrForr | -5 ∈ ℝ |
| antox | I think tziOm wanted to round down to 10 minutes. Maybe s/.:..$/0:00/ is an option? :D |
| * Altreus | smacks antox with a bin |
| * rindolf | smacks antox with a larger bin. |
| Altreus | this one http://www.suasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/dusty1.gif |
| * ChibaPet | hands antox a fish. |
| shorten | Altreus's url is at http://xrl.us/bmpbt6 |
| rindolf | My bin is bigger than Altreus'. |
| DrForr | Rainbow trout all 'round! |
| Altreus | was that a pun |
| antox | Anyway guys, I haven't got if I should be proud of getting smacked by a bin. |
| Altreus | no |
| Altreus | it's pain-based learning |
| rindolf | antox: you were smacked by two bins - one smaller, one larger. |
| Cipher-0 | You made a mistake???!one!!! Clean out your desk at once!!!!!!eleven!!!!! |
| antox | And no supper today! |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Don't be so negative. |
Laziness
| shadowpaste | "thrig" at 72.14.189.113 pasted "countcounterdecountersville for morissette" (22 lines) at http://scsys.co.uk:8002/176933 |
| rindolf | thrig: why are you using qx... in void-context? You should use system. |
| thrig | because it's a quick example and I'm lazy |
| rindolf | thrig: laziness! |
| rindolf | thrig: laziness will be the fall of mankind but I cannot be arsed to do anything about it. |
| mst | I tried, but last week's meeting of the apathy society was cancelled due to lack of interest |
| thrig | ~~ Mr. Wiggles-san! |
| apeiron | apathy society? couldn't care less myself. |
| thrig | the Something or the Other re. Pirates Act |
| LeoNerd | "What do you think are the major causes of ignorance and apathy in today's voting public?" "Hrm.. don't know. Don't care, really.." |
| Invis | :D |
| thrig | back in the day, one would get smited for lazing the day away watching Aramaic Idol |
| rindolf | thrig: when I was younger, I watched Sumerian Idol. |
| thrig | it's in estivation now, I hear |
| cfedde | rindolf: gilgamesh was such a bastard on that show. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | I don't care about my apathy |
Complex Math
| Teratogen | eval: 1+1 |
| perlbot | Teratogen: 2 |
| Teratogen | it works! |
| Teratogen | eval: e**(pi*i) |
| perlbot | Teratogen: 1 |
| Teratogen | oh dear =( |
| vreg | eval: 1/0 |
| perlbot | vreg: ERROR: Illegal division by zero at (eval 1702) line 1. |
| Teratogen | eval: sqrt(-1) |
| perlbot | Teratogen: ERROR: Can't take sqrt of -1 at (eval 1702) line 1. |
| Teratogen | what the |
| tm604 | http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Math::Complex |
| vreg | eval: use Math::Complex; sqrt(-1) |
| perlbot | vreg: ERROR: Can't locate Math/Complex.pm in @INC (@INC contains:) at (eval 1702) line 1. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1702) line 1. |
| LeoNerd | Math::Complex? Why not Math::Simple? |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: heh. |
| rindolf | Simple Numbers. |
| rindolf | Math::Tiny |
| rindolf | Math::Tiny::ButMaintained |
| LeoNerd | Hehe.. Math::Tiny. Only copes with the range [0,1) |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: sounds more like fuzzy logic. |
| rindolf | LeoNerd: this [0,1) thing reminds me of this joke of mine - http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=jewish-deduction |
| LeoNerd | Hehe |
| rindolf | Math::Jewish. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Making Complex Math Simple |
Jumping Off a Bridge
| PerlJam | m4rcu5: you need a newer perl to use the /r modifier to tr/// |
| mauke | also, why are you reading 5.14's perlop? |
| apeiron | "because that's what I found online" |
| m4rcu5 | mauke: too old? i tought that de default install of gentoo came shiped with a bit more up2date version of perl :P |
| apeiron | snrk |
| m4rcu5 | mauke: because thats what perldoc.perl.org served me ;-) |
| mauke | and why are you going to perldoc.perl.org? |
| alnewkirk | if perldoc told you to jump off of a bridge, would you? |
| rindolf | alnewkirk: if Chuck Norris told me to do that, I would. |
| PerlJam | rindolf: Chuck Norris wouldn't tell you … he'd just round-house kick you off of the bridge. |
| rindolf | PerlJam: heh. |
| rindolf | PerlJam: what if he's nowhere near the bridge? |
| alnewkirk | rindolf: chuck norris is everywhere yet nowhere in particular |
| alnewkirk | … like the wind |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | I’ll jump off the bridge when I get there. |
Deprecation
| Su-Shee | SO I TURNED TO YOU FOR HELP IN TIMES OF DESPERATION… |
| Botje | desperation is for wimps |
| anno | prosperation? |
| Altreus | deprecation is an outdated concept and we prefer not to do it |
| Su-Shee | let’s deprecate deprecation. |
| alpha-- | agreed. |
| alpha-- | oh wait. |
| Su-Shee | that would be a deprecation |
| rindolf | Who will watch the watcher? |
| rindolf | Who will deprecate deprecation? |
| Su-Shee | shouldn’t someone deprecate the deprecator in that case? |
| * rindolf | deprecates the deprecator who is deprecating deprecation. |
| Altreus | that's OK, it's not deprecated yet |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | To deprecate deprecation, we first need to stop deprecating. |
Ampersand’s Many Friends
| el_seano | is there ever a good reason to omit ampersands from subroutine invocations? |
| * el_seano | <- noob |
| mauke | wrong question |
| archon- | always |
| mauke | is there ever a good reason to add ampersands to subroutine calls? |
| archon- | almost never |
| el_seano | it seems like a nice touch to include the sigil so there's no ambiguity |
| rindolf | el_seano: http://perl-begin.org/tutorials/bad-elements/#ampersand-in-subroutine-calls |
| Yaakov | Ampersands are among the coolest punctuation marks & add their coolness to everything they are used for. |
| mauke | el_seano: what ambiguity? |
| apeiron | foo() # pretty umambiguous |
| archon- | &Yaakov& |
| * rindolf | prefers ampersors. |
| rindolf | Or ampernots. |
| Yaakov | AmperSnot |
| archon- | amberbuts |
| archon- | amber? |
| archon- | amperbuts! |
| el_seano | :D |
| Yaakov | ampersif |
| tybalt89 | ampersand followed by amperbuff and amperpolish... |
| Yaakov | amperbeadblast |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | If you like ampersands, you’ll also love… |
Chuck Norris and Perl
| RiXtEr-Work | thanks perl people! Sorry I am a newbie! |
| apeiron | Don't apologize for being a newbie |
| DrForr | RiXtEr-Work: We all were at one time. Well, except maybe Larry. |
| apeiron | Apologize for being stupid and then fix it |
| RiXtEr-Work | drforr, I wrote a bunch of perl back in about 2003-2005 era, but if you don't use it you lose it I guess.. |
| rindolf | DrForr: Chuck Norris was never a newbie! |
| rindolf | Chuck Norris will kill anyone who implies otherwise. |
| RiXtEr-Work | rindolf, chuck norris is the perl interpereter... |
| rindolf | RiXtEr-Work: heh. |
| rindolf | Only perl and Chuck Norris can parse Perl. |
| RiXtEr-Work | haha |
| DrForr | Naw, all Chuck Norris has to do is *look* at perl and it interprets itself out of fear and respect. |
| RiXtEr-Work | Chuck Norris doesn't need to program, his computer does what he says when he says it. |
| rindolf | Chuck Norris taught God how to create the universe. |
| DrForr | Insert Higgs joke here. |
| Channel | #perl |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | I was a newbiew once. Chuck Norris wasn’t. |
