| designerjean |
http://scsys.co.uk:8002/87521 |
| designerjean |
i know i'm not supposed to be using XML::Simple |
| designerjean |
but it's only one statement in the program |
| rindolf |
designerjean: is it causing problems? |
| mst |
yes, and it's the one that makes the $config you can't work out how to use |
| designerjean |
maybe |
| rindolf |
mst: :-) |
| mst |
your exact problem is "unable to use the results of XML::Simple" |
| mst |
because you're stupid and XML::Simple is shit |
| mst |
please switch to XML::Twig |
| designerjean |
ok thanks |
| dhoss |
people still use xml? |
| rindolf |
dhoss: it's a dirty job, but it pays. |
| dhoss |
i guess there's that |
| designerjean |
another case of stupid youth |
| dhoss |
designerjean: how old are you |
| rindolf |
dhoss: well, I'm using XML for some stuff willingly. |
| rindolf |
dhoss: JSON wouldn't have been usable. |
| dhoss |
rindolf: i guess that's a legit reason |
| rindolf |
Because I use them for text and stuff like that. |
| rindolf |
And it's hard to do something like <p>Hello <b>dhoss</b>!</p> in JSON. |
| rokoteko |
I think its mainly amongst web programmers where JSON is appreciated the most. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: JSON has many valid uses. |
| DuClare |
XML has none |
| LeoNerd |
XML is for putting attribute markup within a stream of text. |
| dhoss |
rindolf: yea i can see that. json is more useful in a cross language barrier bit where markup isn't needed |
| LeoNerd |
(mostly because it came out of SGML) |
| rindolf |
DuClare: not true. |
| rokoteko |
XML is very widely used. that's like saying "I dont need to know Java, because the language sucks" .. |
| Su-Shee |
rindolf: you're mixing semantics with style here anyways. that would be bad xml. |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: I was giving an illustrative example. |
| Su-Shee |
rindolf: then give a proper one. that was exactly how NOT to XML. |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: besides , I think that <b> has some valid, semantic meaning. |
| rindolf |
And it's also shorter than <strong></strong> |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: ok. |
| Su-Shee |
rindolf: no. bold doesn't mean "be bold and courageous here". it means "print this shit in bold typeface" |
| rindolf |
<p>Hello <name>Su-Shee</name>!</p> |
| rindolf |
XML is useful for wrapping and annotating text. |
| Dorward |
XML is only useful for wrapping and annotating text if you use a properly designed application of XML and everyone reading the document agrees on what the meaning is. |
| rokoteko |
XTML vs XDML could derive from XML. (text and data respectively). then of course you should be able to embed XDML in XTML. |
| rokoteko |
oh wait. Im thinkin aloud. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: I've recently played with an XML-specific compression tool. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: it achieved better compression than xz -9 --extreme but OTOH mishandled some «"» not inside attributes - converting them to " |
| rokoteko |
rindolf: what requirements are you trying to meet by compressing xml? |
| PerlJam |
smaller XML docs :) |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: well, to reduce the size. |
| rokoteko |
well, doh. but why? |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: like over the Net, etc. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: it's like gzip compression/decompression. |
| rokoteko |
rindolf: I yet fail to see the point. :( |
| rindolf |
Only domain-specific. |
| rokoteko |
why? |
| rindolf |
And if you have a lot of it it occupies less on the hard disk. |
| rokoteko |
Ah. you have like SHITLOADS of XML ? |
| rindolf |
It could happen. |
| rindolf |
Java... |
| PerlJam |
anyone who deals with XML probably has that much ;) |
| rokoteko |
Well, disk is pretty cheap. |
| rindolf |
I don't have too much XML. |
| rindolf |
Well, maybe a lot of XHTML. |
| rokoteko |
I was just curious about rindolf's use case. |
| rokoteko |
I was afraid that he was storing some binary data in XML. :) |
| mst |
I think he was just experimenting with technology |
| rindolf |
Yes, I probably have more disk wasted on .mp3's and .flv's. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: I have some interest in compression methods. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: back from high school. |
| rokoteko |
rindolf: :) |
| Su-Shee |
if you're the company who's transferring 120 years of documents of a car company into something flexible - THEN you have a shitload of XML. |
| rindolf |
There have been some recent advancements. |
| rokoteko |
So just out of curiousity, that's fine with me. :) Im just nosy sometimes. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: I think the wikipedia XML dump is pretty large. |
| mst |
I find it's usually safe to assume that whatver rindolf's doing, there isn't a good reason for it. |
| rindolf |
rokoteko: there was some stuff about processing it quickly using Perl, etc. |
| rindolf |
mst: :-) |
| rindolf |
mst++ # Nice burn. |
| Su-Shee |
popcorn anyone? ;) |
| rindolf |
mst: but it has a huge grain of truth in it I admit. |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: microwave popcorn? |
| Su-Shee |
I don't have a microwave and I was being sarcastic... |
| Su-Shee |
I need a smiley for that. |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: ah. |
| Su-Shee |
rindolf-shaped, obviously. |
| rindolf |
Su-Shee: yes, I was playing along. |
| petn-randall |
why not an XML-conform </sarcasm> ? |
| * rindolf |
prepares some popcorn and shares it with Su-Shee using the Popcorn-over-IRC protocol. |
| DrForr |
What's this about burnt popcorn? |
| rindolf |
Popcorn-over-IRC also preserves the butter taste. |
| burnedcelery |
you're getting my keyboard all greasy |
| apeiron |
ew, butter |
| rindolf |
And it also supports multicasting popcorn. |
| PerlJam |
butter++ |
| PerlJam |
though not so much butter that it makest he popcorn soggy. I hate that. |