rindolf	ljuwaidah: so aren't there more people who use FOSS in Oman?
ljuwaidah	there are, but they're only a few
rindolf	ljuwaidah: ah.
rindolf	Oman has .om as its TLD.
rindolf	.om .nom .nom
rindolf	p.om p.om
rindolf	kabo.om
rindolf	DJB got the cr.yp.to domain.
rindolf	And there's also ali.as which is Adam Kennedy's.
ljuwaidah	looool
ljuwaidah	rand.om :P
ljuwaidah	do.om :P
ljuwaidah	ro.om
ljuwaidah	m.om
Black_Phoenix	your.m.om
ljuwaidah	hahahaha
ljuwaidah	is that supposed to be a milf site? :P
rindolf	yahoo.c.om
ljuwaidah	bro.om
rindolf	http://yourmom.com/
rindolf	Though it's down now.
ljuwaidah	don't keep your hopes up on .om domains
ljuwaidah	our ISP is a greedy money sucker
rindolf	"I'd rather be a .com than a .om"
ljuwaidah	rindolf: me too
rindolf	ljuwaidah: this was a joke.
rindolf	I have a few .org domains.
rindolf	From GoDaddy
ljuwaidah	unless you need it for a domain trick
* Black_Phoenix	<--- .com bastard here
ljuwaidah	rindolf: where's the joke?
rindolf	ljuwaidah: joke?
rindolf	ljuwaidah: it rhymes.
rindolf	dot-com, dot-om - get it? get it? get it?
rindolf	;-)
ljuwaidah	no :(
rindolf	ljuwaidah: om rhymes with com.
ljuwaidah	so?
rindolf	ljuwaidah: "I'd rather be a dot-com than a dot-om"
rindolf	ljuwaidah: it's just a silly rhyme.
Black_Phoenix	I'd rather a website
rindolf	Black_Phoenix: I accidentally a web-site.
ljuwaidah	I still don't get the joke
Black_Phoenix	rindolf, I'd still rather a blog
rindolf	Black_Phoenix: rather what a blog?
Black_Phoenix	Website a blog
rindolf	ljuwaidah: never mind.
ljuwaidah	sorry, I don't know why I'm slow today
rindolf	Black_Phoenix: do you mean that you would rather be a web-site?
Black_Phoenix	I'd rather website a blog
Black_Phoenix	broken grammar time :D
ljuwaidah	Black_Phoenix: when did website become a verb?
Black_Phoenix	it didn't
Black_Phoenix	I'm using it as a verb to produce nonsense
ljuwaidah	I sense light!
ljuwaidah	{I see}
rindolf	ljuwaidah: http://www.google.com.om/
ljuwaidah	rindolf: I know
rindolf	If Google can do it - so can you.
ljuwaidah	I don't use it
ljuwaidah	'cause some services don't work on it
rindolf	ljuwaidah: ah.
rindolf	ljuwaidah: in any case, seems like one can register a .com.om domain.

Channel	##programming
Network	Freenode
Tagline	The .om domain

Quetzalcoatl_	How do I write a computer vision program in C on a microcontroller?
dyf	Quetzalcoatl_: with a text editor?
Quetzalcoatl_	Hmm.. Never thought of that. But which editor? Is Notepad good enough?
mauke	no, you need at least Wordpad
rindolf	mauke: I suggest MS Word or at least OpenOffice.org
rindolf	mauke: but in order to really be able to write well, you need a desktop publishing program like Scribus or Adobe FrameMaker.
* rindolf	wonders which compiler will accept PDFs as input.
waiting	rindolf: /usr/bin/pdftotext
rindolf	waiting: and pray.
rindolf	There's an estoric programming language called Piet (I think) that accepts images as input.

rindolf	Deiu: which editor are you using?
Deiu	Ugh, let me catch up with the convo first
Deiu	And yeah, I use vim too
rindolf	Deiu: ah good. If you were using Eight Megabytes And Continuously Swapping , I would have to swap you with it!
rindolf	I have a column of vim tips on one of my blogs.
rindolf	I also like Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
rindolf	There are a lot of jokes about Emacs.
Zuu	There are lots of jokes about your mom too ;)
rindolf	Zuu: eMom
Zuu	eh?
rindolf	e-Macs -> eMum
rindolf	"Your Mom is so fat, only Emacs takes more memory than her."
Zuu	nope, doesnt work
rindolf	Zuu: :-(
Zuu	Your emacs is so fat that your mom could fit in it
rindolf	Heh.
Zuu	ahhh, yes, much better
rindolf	Zuu++
Zuu	:P
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* rindolf	stores some key/value pairs in dbm
* Zuu	stores some moms in dbm
dbm	lol
rindolf	Zuu: you overflowed him.
Zuu	:>
dbm	;)
rindolf	Or her, don't know.
rindolf	them.
dbm	'him'
rindolf	OK.
rindolf	dbm: I don't recall your nick.
dbm	dbm= dont bother me
rindolf	don't be mean.
dbm	;)
Zuu	or: do bother me

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xmler	Hi
xmler	How can I do <a href="$variable">blah</a> in XSLT?
rindolf	xmler: you can use <xsl:attribute>
rindolf	xmler: or use ${...}
rindolf	xmler: have you read the Zvon XSLT tutorial?
xmler	rindolf: I've read various resources; perhaps it's the fault of XML::XSLT on CPAN
rindolf	xmler: use XML::LibXSLT instead.
rindolf	It's faster and better.
Zuu	<insert mean statement about XSLT>
Zuu	:)
rindolf	"XSLT is the work of Satan"
rindolf	"It's the worst thing since non-sliced bread."
Zuu	Hahaha :D
rindolf	"Mothers used to tell their children about XSLT to scare them."
xmler	Haha
Zuu	That last one is good
xmler	XSLT seems pretty cool
Zuu	xmler, no no, that's not mean
Zuu	you're doing it wrong
Zuu	:P
xmler	XSLT is too cool to be mean to :p
Zuu	Hehe
rindolf	"XSLT is the number one cause of programmers' suicides since Visual Basic 1.0"
tommy_the-dragon	lol
Zuu	:>
Zuu	I could believe in that
rindolf	"The X in XSLT stands for eXtermination."
rindolf	"XSLT makes the baby jesus cry."
rindolf	"The only things worse than XSLT are Excel and sugarless tea."
tommy_the-dragon	rofl
* Zuu	kinda likes Excel
rindolf	Zuu: yes, it was a joke.
Zuu	Noooh!
Zuu	they are all true!
rindolf	Now I'm out of ideas.
Zuu	i havent even had a single idea yet..
rindolf	"XSLT is what Chuck Norris has nightmares of."
Zuu	Whoah!
Zuu	wait.. that would somehow make XSLT cooler than Chuck Norris...
Zuu	Chuck Norris dont have mightmares
rindolf	"Confucius e says: 'XSLT made me realise humanity was hopeless."
Zuu	"Even APL wont make friends with XSLT"
Zuu	yay, i maded one!
rindolf	"God considered using XSLT as the tenth plague of Egypt, but thought it was too evil."
rindolf	Zuu: :-)
Zuu	Haha :D
Zuu	that plauge one is awesome
rindolf	"In Soviet Russia, XSLT codes you. Badly!"
rindolf	"Satan condemned Hitler for a million years of writing XSLT"
rindolf	OK, back to work.
rindolf	C - not XSLt.
Zuu	:)
rindolf	"The KGB used to torture their victims by having them look at scrolling XSLT code"
xmler	rindolf: lol, love the KGB + XSLT one
xmler	rindolf: by the way, what's with the XSLT hate by the way, is it some kind of meme? :p
* Zuu	gives xmler an XSLT interpreter written in XSLT
Jck_true	I wanna make ASM code from XSLT
rindolf	"My name is Inigo Montoya. You forced my father to write XSLT. Prepare to die! And be thankful I don't force you to write XSLT."
xmler	Ah for gawd's sake. Can't install XML::LibXML, it says I don't have libxml2 (I do)
rindolf	xmler: do you have the -devel package?
rindolf	xmler: what is your distro?
rindolf	OS distro I mean.
xmler	rindolf: Debian 4.0
xmler	Ooh, perhaps I don't actually
rindolf	xmler: ok, then apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
* Zuu	have to go o/
rindolf	xmler: maybe we should discuss it on #perl?
rindolf	Zuu: bye
rindolf	Zuu: and beware of stray XSLT code.
Zuu	I will :P
rindolf	Zuu: OK.
xmler	rindolf: sure, uno memento :)

dazjorz	rindolf!
dazjorz	areth thou here?
rindolf	Hi dazjorz
dazjorz	:)
rindolf	dazjorz: yes, I are here.
dazjorz	isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when there are language specific channels around?
Zuu	Muhah!
rindolf	dazjorz: this is about programming in general.
rindolf	At least theoretically.
rindolf	And VB.NET questions.
joeyadams	Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and actually get helpful answers :)
dazjorz	rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is not programming?
rindolf	dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff.
dazjorz	!
rindolf	dazjorz: no.
rindolf	dazjorz: VB.NET is programming.
dazjorz	hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff.
rindolf	But it has its own channel.
Zuu	:>
dazjorz	rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks
rindolf	dazjorz: ah. so did I.
* Zuu	is into everything sane, except the boring stuff
rindolf	dazjorz: to what?
dazjorz	rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is probably too generic
rindolf	dazjorz: I like dazjorz
dazjorz	rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors, da zjorz is just too lame to bear
dazjorz	rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter abbreviation of my name, sjg or so
Zuu	how about.... 'carrot' ?
dazjorz	I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot
Zuu	no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato nose
Zuu	hum :<
dazjorz	Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between Zorix and Buu
dazjorz	do you know the two?
rindolf	Zoffix and buu.
Zuu	nope
dazjorz	uh zoffix yeah
dazjorz	Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P
Zuu	im a mix of much worse personalities im sure
Zuu	most of them just happen to cancel each other out

rindolf	dazjorz: I considered switching my default nick to "shlomif", because that's how most people know me.
dazjorz	rindolf: yeah, it's your alternative nick now right?
rindolf	dazjorz: but then XChat2 reverted to the old nick and I was too lazy.
unreal	You seem to have many, well, stupid friends, rindolf :P
rindolf	dazjorz: yes, I have it registered.
rindolf	unreal: stupid?
Zuu	rindolf, noo! what to do about the tomato then? fish dont have big tomato noses!
rindolf	Zuu: fish?
rindolf	Zuu: I'll give you a tomoato.
Zuu	good question
rindolf	I'll give you the tomato back.
Zuu	where do i get fish from
Zuu	no no, keep it :D
rindolf	Zuu: my last name is Fish.
* tommy_the-dragon	slaps zuu with a fish
tommy_the-dragon	there ya go
dazjorz	rindolf: I just registered 'sjors'
* rindolf	gives a fish to Zuu
dazjorz	rindolf: as a nick.
Zuu	rindolf, thats just absurd, a reindeer with 'fish' as surname...
Zuu	your parents must have hated you
rindolf	Open source: "everyone contributes a fish, and in exchange everyone gets their own ocean."
rindolf	dazjorz: ah, cool.
Zuu	tommy_the-dragon, does dragons eat other animals, like fish?
unreal	Ocean == Big Momma's Bath?
rindolf	Zuu: I'm not a reindeer - I just play one on T.V.
tommy_the-dragon	not fish...
tommy_the-dragon	just reindeers
Zuu	tommy_the-dragon, what about fake TV reindeers ?
Zuu	Nice :D
rindolf	unreal: no, the whole enchilada.
rindolf	tommy_the-dragon: LOL.
tommy_the-dragon	and enchiladas
dazjorz	rindolf: I know someone whose nick is Stonehead, he made his three-letter acronym stn, but usually it's letters from the first name
dazjorz	uh
dazjorz	the full name
dazjorz	yours could be shf for example, and everybody would know "hey, that's shlomi"
dazjorz	but I'm at most sg, so I need to borrow another letter somewhere, or make it daz or just sjors
* dazjorz	thinks
tommy_the-dragon	my cat eats flies...
rindolf	dazjorz: I hate these three letter acronyms.
Zuu	shlomi really sounds like some dish made of reindeer
tommy_the-dragon	but hes lucky because i dont eat cats
rindolf	Zuu: heh.
unreal	heh
rindolf	tommy_the-dragon: I didn't know dragons had cats.
dazjorz	what's the name of the red-nosed reindeer again?
Zuu	it sounds edible at least
dazjorz	oh rudolf :)
rindolf	dazjorz: Randolph.
dazjorz	oh
unreal	I used to have a friend whos nick was "crap"
rindolf	unreal: wow.
dazjorz	<someguy> crap, someone stole my bicycle
dazjorz	<crap> ok?
rindolf	dazjorz: heh.
dazjorz	rindolf: why don't you like the three-letter acronyms?
rindolf	dazjorz: often too confusing.
rindolf	dazjorz: and two easy to mistype.
rindolf	dazjorz: and not too memorable.
unreal	LIS.
dazjorz	three easy to mistype, I think
rindolf	And often hard to pronounce.
dazjorz	maybe I'll just go with sjors
rindolf	too easy. Freudian.
rindolf	dazjorz: yes, I think that's a good idea.
unreal	(Lies, I say!)
dazjorz	hehe, rindolf++ # freudian
Zuu	or you could pick something girly and hope people will treat you nicer :)
rindolf	dazjorz: have you played with the farnsworth bot yet?
rindolf	Zuu: RinGirl
rindolf	Though nicks with "Girl " in them tend to draw too much attention.
Zuu	nah, it cant contain 'girl' that just seems fake
dazjorz	rindolf: I have
dazjorz	rindolf: remind me to fix knotify, khtml, and quassel :(
rindolf	dazjorz: nice.
rindolf	dazjorz: using MemoServ?
dazjorz	rindolf: the bugs annoy me, a lot, but I never get around to actually trying to fix them
rindolf	Zuu: maybe I should call myself "shlomi". Americans will think I'm a girl.
Zuu	yeah, it kinda have a girlish sound to it
dazjorz	rindolf: call yourself shloma, dutch people will think you're over sixty and female
rindolf	dazjorz: heh.
dazjorz	let me rephase that
dazjorz	dutch people will think you're female... and over sixty
dazjorz	(oma = grandma)
rindolf	dazjorz: ah.
unreal	kloot.
rindolf	In Hebrew nouns that end with "ah" tend to be feminine.
dazjorz	shlomah?
rindolf	Seriously now, if I change my nick it will be to shlomif.
dazjorz	let's change our nicks at the same time
rindolf	Well, in Shlomi's case it would be Shlomith.
dazjorz	I will be sjors, you will be shlomif
rindolf	dazjorz: OK.
* rindolf	is now known as shlomif
dazjorz	shit, now I have to
Zuu	what does shlimif even mean ?
* dazjorz	is now known as sjors
sjors	Zuu: shlomi = his first name, f = the first letter of his last name
shlomif	sjors: hi.
shlomif	Zuu: shlomi fish.
sjors	hi shlomif
shlomif	Hi sjors
tommy_the-dragon	where does rindolf come into it?
shlomif	sjors: my nick is longer than yours.
Zuu	oh lol, and i just said his name sound girly :P
* Zuu	pat pats shlomif ^^
shlomif	tommy_the-dragon: Rindolf was a dwarven warrior I played in AD&D.
tommy_the-dragon	ahh ok
* shlomif	gives Zuu his tomato back.
Zuu	:<
shlomif	Since I'm no longer a reindeer.
sjors	shlomif: that's just to compensate against something you have that's way shorter than mine
shlomif	sjors: LOL.
shlomif	sjors++
Zuu	Erhmm.. shlomif! how come there's this big hole in it?
tommy_the-dragon	sorry...
tommy_the-dragon	my bad
Zuu	Hehe
* shlomif	doesn't like raw tomatoes.
shlomif	But I eat them with pasta, etc.
shlomif	Or as meat sauce.
Zuu	or in sandwiches
shlomif	sjors: anyway, welcome to ##programming
Zuu	or on reindeer nose
shlomif	sjors: I'll probably revert to "rindolf" after next disconnect.
shlomif	Zuu: after you cook the entire reindeer.
* shlomif	is a reindeer cannibal.
shlomif	Well, rindolf is.
Zuu	yes, but he ran away
shlomif	I also like dried and olive oiled tomatoes.
sjors	shlomif: I just changed my clients' settings to reconnect as sjors, too
shlomif	Well, I think I'll go to sleep.
shlomif	sjors: ah.
sjors	shlomif: it'll probably take a while to "adapt" to sjors instead of dazjorz
shlomif	sjors: well, enjoy your new nick.
sjors	and I still have dazjorz.com, and not sjors.anything
* Zuu	tugs shlomif in
sjors	thanks ;)
shlomif	Zuu: thanks.
* Zuu	quicly squeeses a fresh tomato onto shlomif's nose
sjors	shlomif: sjors.biz and sjors.mobi at most
* shlomif	doesn't have rindolf.{com,org,net} etc.
shlomif	sjors: maybe sjors.in
shlomif	I got a shlom.in
sjors	sjors.indahou.se
shlomif	sjors: heh.
sjors	sjors.ac, sjors.ag, sjors.am, sjors.at
sjors	hehe sjors.me
sjors	sjors.pl, too bad i don't really do perl anymore
shlomif	sjors: there's also .sh
sjors	sjors.sh, too bad I don't really do shell script a lot
shlomif	Or .im
sjors	sjors.tv, too bad I don't really watch..
tommy_the-dragon	do you own a mobile?
shlomif	.tv are pretty costly.
sjors	meh I don't like sjors. anyway, so I'll just keep dazjorz for everything
tommy_the-dragon	yeah whats with that (the price of .tv)?
shlomif	tommy_the-dragon: it's the foundation of the economy of Tuvaly.

* rindolf	tries to think what can cause the KDE 4 SNAFU on his user.
rindolf	And hopefully to avoid bissecting the KDE 4 config tree.
Zuu	snafu... that wounds like a delicious cake :D
Zuu	*sounds
rindolf	Zuu: Situation Normal - All F****ed up.
Zuu	:/
* Zuu	gives the snafu cake to Dmage :D
Zuu	Dmage, just eat the cake already
Dmage	Zuu, are you hate my english? ;)
Zuu	i hate your non-english
Black_Phoenix	I english your hate
Dmage	xD
Zuu	Dmage, but i dont hate you! :D
Black_Phoenix	and now I can do that
Dmage	Zuu, learn russian then! :)
Zuu	Hehe
Zuu	Dmage, i think you'd hate my russion far more than i would ever hate your english
rindolf	Spasiva.
Dmage	xD
Dmage	learn 'Eto huinya!'
* Zuu	steals the snafu cake back from Dmage and gives it to rindolf instead
Dmage	and apply everywhere
* rindolf	eats the SNAFU cake
Zuu	:D
* rindolf	eats Zuu's Danish too.
Zuu	Noooh!
* rindolf	loves Zuu's Danish.
rindolf	Yum yum.
Zuu	tis mine!
Zuu	My daaaanish :'(
rindolf	My precioussssssssss!
Zuu	tis gone :<

rindolf	What should I do now?
rindolf	I'll work on Text-Qantor.
rindolf	It's so great not to have a job.
Zuu	yeah, if someone else pays for the food it sure is :D
Zuu	also, i dont really understand much of what you just told me :P
* Zuu	puts a stick into the Text-Qantor
rindolf	Zuu: Qantor == Qantor ain't no TeX/Troff oh really.
rindolf	It's a typesetting system I'm working on.
* Zuu	hates the name
Zuu	it makes me kinda mad actually :/
rindolf	Zuu: :-)
rindolf	Zuu: maybe it will grow on you.
rindolf	Zuu: some people I know named a browser suckass.
Zuu	:(
rindolf	I refused to work on it.
Zuu	see that's a name!
rindolf	Zuu: heh.
Zuu	i didnt mean that btw :)
Zuu	suckass is kinda... unkind
rindolf	OK, now I should write an http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/XSLT/ transformation.
rindolf	I'll start from something I already have.
Zuu	But the "X ain't no <something related>" is just a lame naming convention imho
Zuu	yeah, work on some XSLT facts :D
rindolf	Zuu: just call it Qantor then.
rindolf	Without the mnemonics.
Zuu	but anyone interrested will learn that it's an abbreviation
Zuu	just by the fact that it's recursive makes me want to kill myself a little bit more :P
rindolf	Zuu: do me a break and kill yourself.
Zuu	:>
rindolf	Less Zuus - more grass for evil reindeers like me to feed on.

rindolf	Pythack now was able to get the fc-solve test suite up and running.
Zuu	eh?!
* Zuu	solves rindolf
rindolf	Zuu: http://fc-solve.berlios.de/
rindolf	Zuu: I am not solvable.
rindolf	I am Turing hard.
Zuu	:S
* Zuu	never heard of anything called 'turing hard'
joeyadams	lol. Zuu's probabilistic, so maybe he can solve you.
Zuu	but i guess i have now
joeyadams	Formal definition of Turing hard: blah blah blah hard blah blah Turing blah.
Zuu	Hahahaha :D
joeyadams	Wikipedia: Given a set X in P(N), a set A in N is called Turing hard for X if X <=_T A for all X in X. If additionally A is in X, then A is called Turing complete for X.
joeyadams	Does that clarify?
joeyadams	(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_reduction for the actual math symbols)
* joeyadams	assumes you get the point
Zuu	yeah, i think i'll have to put significant time into that, for me to comprehend it :)
Zuu	but maybe i will, some day :P
joeyadams	My point is that people like to use mumbo jumbo to describe more concise mumbo jumbo.
joeyadams	E.g. A problem is NP-hard if it is at least as hard as all the problems in NP.
Zuu	i undersstand enough of it, to be fairly confident that rindolf being turing hard, will not say much about his ability to be solved
joeyadams	I'm guessing Turing-hard means you can't solve a problem with a Turing machine (e.g. the halting problem)
joeyadams	(substitute Turing machine with "your computer" :) )
Zuu	no, turing hard has something to do with expressiveness
joeyadams	okay, Zuu > joeyadams, so I can't help you :)
* Zuu	tickles joeyadams ^^
joeyadams	A delicious apple is any fruit ∈ apple that is at least as tasty as any other fruit ∈ apple.
joeyadams	In other words, apples are in the set of recursively nommable fruits.
rindolf	joeyadams: what's up?
joeyadams	I'm babbling.
rindolf	joeyadams: Apple is one of my least favourite fruits.
* Zuu	watches a number of apples that recursively NOM's eathother
rindolf	It tends to be too commonplace.
rindolf	Or simpleton.
joeyadams	whoops, my logic is incorrect
joeyadams	Only delicious apples are ∈ the nommable fruits.
joeyadams	(recursively is just a word you throw in to sound smart)
* Zuu	NOMs joeyadams :>
rindolf	joeyadams: a friend of one of my sisters said that Apple is his favourite fruit.
rindolf	Ta-zuu!
* joeyadams	has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection nommed by peer))
Zuu	yeah, unfortunately a lot of people throw with a lot of words to sound smart :/
Zuu	my favourite fruit is a recursive banana!
joeyadams	although it certainly helps to use complex terminology to solve complex problems. As Aristophanes said, "High thoughts must have high language."
Zuu	.. along with immutable polymorphic pears
joeyadams	Zuu> I guess you have to peel it indefinitely?
joeyadams	lol
Zuu	Hahah, yeah :P
joeyadams	I tend to eat bananas in deterministic polynomial time.
Zuu	i eat them in linear time, but uses exponential space
joeyadams	lol
rindolf	Heh.
joeyadams	eww

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ispy_	hi gang.
ispy_	I'm a n00b programmer and think I should learn A and B before C, right?
std_orb	ispy_: General understanding should come before that.
ispy_	std_orb: I have no idea what I'm doing...
std_orb	ispy_: I can see that
* ispy_	kicks the dirt...
tommy_the-dragon	ive been meaning to get into it
ispy_	Is C like JavaScript?
ispy_	Same thing right?
tommy_the-dragon	ispy_: lol
rindolf	ispy_: Perl is more like C than JS is.
ispy_	rindolf: Never heard of Perl... I should google that.
rindolf	ispy_: use Bing search instead.
rindolf	Or Altavista.
Terminus	rindolf: i see.
ispy_	rindolf, std_orb, tommy_the-dragon ... thanks for the pointers :)
rindolf	ispy_: you should learn Intercal, it's the most expressive language possible.
ispy_	rindolf: Sounds exciting!
Terminus	intercal... lol!
ispy_	haha
ispy_	ok ok ok... I can't continue this... I'm practically laughing my ass off at my desk.
rindolf	:-)
ispy_	hehe

wes_	tell me how can u print a message without using a semicolon in the printg statement
rindolf	wes_: in C?
rindolf	wes_: do you mean the printf(...) statement?
wes_	yes
rindolf	wes_: you cannot without using macros I think.
rindolf	wes_: and don't use macros for that.
wes_	i mean without using a semicolon at the printf statement but you have to use printf only
rindolf	wes_: why would you want to do that?
rindolf	wes_: what do you have against semicolons?
rindolf	Some of my best friends are semicolons.
lulzfish_4	semicolons got me where I am today man
rindolf	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon
rindolf	lulzfish_4: heh.
rindolf	"I owe it all to semicolons."
amigojapan	hey rindolf lulzfish_4
rindolf	Hi amigojapan
rindolf	amigojapan: what's up?
* rindolf	gives a semicolon to amigojapan
* amigojapan	returns a whitespace to rindolf
rindolf	amigojapan: that's not fair trade.
rindolf	But I'll treasure the whitespace.
amigojapan	rindolf: a whitespace is just as valuable as a semicolon in python :)
rindolf	amigojapan: aren't semicolons optional in Py?
amigojapan	rindolf: I think they are
amigojapan	rindolf: actually, a whitespace can be as valuable as 2 curly braces :)
rindolf	amigojapan: heh.
rindolf	amigojapan: you need 4 spaces to distinguish stuff properly.
amigojapan	rindolf: one thing I never got about python is why they need the : after if and for statements....
* PythonSnake	gives a colon to rindolf
PythonSnake	:)
amigojapan	rindolf: actually, I preffer using tabs to 4 spacess...
rindolf	PythonSnake: thanks for the colon.
PythonSnake	rindolf: lol
rindolf	PythonSnake: I'll give you a « and a » in exchange.
PythonSnake	lol
amigojapan	rindolf: the fact that you dont have a rule to how much white space you must use to indent in python, I think is a bad thing...
* PythonSnake	finds a interrobang
PythonSnake	:)
amigojapan	rindolf: if it is 4 spaces then fine, but make it a rule so it is consistent
GeDaMo	‽

Endiannes	vinleod, Yes, he wants to find a solution which yields a point 10 units away, your solution yields a point, exactly 7.66044 units away
Endiannes	vinleod, Oh wait
Endiannes	vinleod, I'm an idiot, didnt factor out cos
Endiannes	vinleod, Yes you're right.
* Endiannes	kicks calculator
vinleod	hehe, I was in the process of writing a python script to prove it.
* speedrunnerG55	picks up Endianness calculator
speedrunnerG55	NEVER KICK YOUR CALCULATOR
CryWolf	Kicking your calculator is a sin
Endiannes	At least its not a cos.
vinleod	but you should at least get a tan
rindolf	Heh.

monsterwizard	Ok so I know javascript, php, perl in some detail. However, I want to become good at one. I was thinking Perl?
rindolf	monsterwizard: roll a die.
monsterwizard	rindolf the die showed a 7 :S
rindolf	monsterwizard: heh.
hmm	lol
rindolf	monsterwizard: strange die.
hmm	throw away the die
* rindolf	throws the die at hmm
* hmm	catches
rindolf	die, die, die!
* hmm	wants to live
rindolf	hmm: but the die wants to die.
rindolf	Take it out of its misery.
hmm	who knows, even the die isn't ready to die
rindolf	hmm: dice should be diced.
rindolf	dice on ice.
hmm	yeah, go dice the dice

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ljuwaidah	yo ecere!!
Zuu	yay, life :)
* Zuu	tickles ljuwaidah
* ljuwaidah	punches zuu in the face
* Zuu	starts crying :'(
rindolf	Fight!
rindolf	Fight! Fight!
* Zuu	runs home to mommy
rindolf	Let's get ready to rumble!!!
* ljuwaidah	punches rindolf in the face
ljuwaidah	for encouraging the fight, that is
Zuu	hehe
* rindolf	uses his Evil Antlers to summon a squadron of Chuck Norrises.
Zuu	oh my!
* rindolf	unleashes the Chuck Norrises upon ljuwaidah
* ljuwaidah	uses his anti-chuck-norrise spell
Zuu	those anterls must be the most evil thing in the entire universe
Zuu	*antlers
rindolf	ljuwaidah: your spell only works on one chuck norris at a day.
rindolf	And I have 119 more.
rindolf	Finish him!
Zuu	i wonder what will happen if one Chuck Norris accidently punches another
ljuwaidah	rindolf: then lemme use my duplication spell to make more of myself so THEY can use the spell
rindolf	ljuwaidah: heh.
rindolf	ljuwaidah++
ljuwaidah	thanks :D
rindolf	ljuwaidah: two can play this game.
* rindolf	runs his recursive copying spell making lots of Evil rindolf reindeers exponentially.
rindolf	Like Bacteria.
ljuwaidah	darn! i didn't see that coming
ljuwaidah	but you also forgot that if _I_ can duplicate myself then so can my duplicates B-)

Zuu	Hai all
rindolf	Zuu: hai hai.
rindolf	Zuu: what's up , kit?
rindolf	Zuu: or what are you , I forgot?
Zuu	Hai rindolf :D
rindolf	I am a reindeer.
rindolf	But also a Llama.
rindolf	And a cat.
Zuu	I'm a Zuu
rindolf	And a fish naturally.
rindolf	Zuu: ah , OK.
Zuu	:D
* rindolf	creates a Zoo of Zuus
Zuu	^^
rindolf	Are you the master Zuu?
rindolf	Like Q is the master of the Q's in Star Trek?
Zuu	i think im the only Zuu
rindolf	Oh, one of a kind.
Zuu	Which is kinda sad really :(
Zuu	Who am i supposed to mate with?
rindolf	Reminds me of http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml
rindolf	Though I need to add that part.
rindolf	Let me do it now.
Zuu	whatever webserver you use, it doesnt provide the right mimetype... At least IE 8 dont attempt to render the document
rindolf	Zuu: you cannot using IE 8
rindolf	Zuu: you need Firefox.
rindolf	Zuu: it's application/xml+xhtml
rindolf	Or Opera.
Zuu	well, it indeed is the right mimetype... stupid IE
Zuu	well, my FF crashed, so i just use IE when that happens
rindolf	Zuu: ah.
rindolf	FF crashed?
rindolf	How strange.
rindolf	Maybe you have a bad plugin.
Zuu	It does that around 6 times a day
rindolf	Not an extension - a plugin.
rindolf	Ah, really.
rindolf	Something is wrong in the Zuuniverse.
rindolf	Or Zuumputer.
Zuu	nah, i suspect one of the tabs are just doing some strange stuff
Zuu	memory leaking javascript ro something like that
Zuu	it is kinda starting to annoy me
Zuu	but with 90 - 120 tabs, it would take quite a while to find out what tab it is
Zuu	you might consider starting your articles, or whatever this is, with an introduction telling what it's about
rindolf	Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#the-angry-demon
rindolf	Zuu: it's not an article - these are random ideas for a screenplay.
rindolf	Zuu: but I'll write an intro.
Zuu	start the page with "Here are some of my random ideas for a screen play im writing:"
Zuu	at LEAST!
Zuu	you cant just jump right into something without giving _any_ indication ow what the reader can expect
Zuu	it simply doesnt make any sense as it is now
Zuu	you could just as well have posted a log of ljuwidah talking :P
rindolf	Zuu: thanks.
Zuu	:)
rindolf	Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#intro
rindolf	Interactive Web!
Zuu	i think you have forgottoen to define the #intro anchor
rindolf	Zuu: reload.
rindolf	Zuu: it's there.
Zuu	hah, caches... :P
Zuu	:D
rindolf	Pesky things.
rindolf	Evil reindeers don't like caches.
rindolf	Neither do cats.
rindolf	I'm an evil reindeer but a good cat.
Zuu	Hehe
rindolf	Don't know how it works.
rindolf	I guess good and evil are relative.
rindolf	Or actually I wore a helmet of alignment change.

Zuu	Hi rindolf :)
rindolf	Hi Zuu
rindolf	Zuu: I've been thinking that maybe you can find some corresponding Zuus of the appropriate sex in a different dimension.
Zuu	hmmm... interresting!
rindolf	Zuu: are you a heterosexual Zuu or a homosexual one?
Zuu	Im not sure what sex I am.
rindolf	Zuu: ah.
Zuu	:P
rindolf	Zuu: you can look.
rindolf	Zuu: in the mirror or something.
rindolf	Zuu: don't you have obligatory genders in Danish/
rindolf	?
rindolf	Like in German, French, etc.
rindolf	Or Hebrew and Arabic.
Zuu	obligatory genders?
Zuu	you mean, the genders in linguistics?
* Zuu	never understood those
Zuu	but Danish have two i believe, and if i remember correctly there is female and 'none'
rindolf	Zuu: yes, genders in linguistics.
Zuu	i dont remember what which is which though :P
rindolf	Like in Hebrew "Haben Halakh lagan" - the boy went to the garden. "Habath Halkha lagan" - "The girl went to the garden"
c_sphere	That almost sounds like allah akbar
Zuu	rindolf, no we dont distinct between the genders of the subject in the danish language
Zuu	our nouns have genders though
c_sphere	zuu-nina?
Zuu	like 'house' is one gender and 'car' is another
rindolf	Zuu: of course the question is - what language do Zuus speak natively?
c_sphere	rindolf: Of course, Zuu speaks Zuu!
rindolf	Zuuish?
c_sphere	The Zulu population also does not speak Zuluish, just Zulu.
Zuu	so if you want to say 'the house' its 'huse_t_' and if you want to say 'the car' its 'bile_n_'
rindolf	c_sphere: Arnavoth (sounds like an Aztec god) is "Hares" (the Rabbit-like mammal) in Hebrew.
rindolf	Zuu: can you understand Swedish?
c_sphere	Aemeth
Zuu	rindolf, some :)
rindolf	Zuu: ah.
Zuu	swedish branched from danish afaik
Zuu	same with norwegian
Zuu	yes, Zuu's speak Zuuish nativley :P
* rindolf	is listening to Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow
rindolf	Zuu: ah.
Zuu	Zuuish have few words, all of which is based on words about cake from othre languages :P
Zuu	c_sphere, are you by any chance related to s_cube ?
rindolf	Zuu: ah, what do you use the Hebrew word "עוגיה" (= `ugiyah, cookie) for?
rindolf	"Chocolate chip pie crust marmalade marzipan cookie yum yum!"
Zuu	i use it for cookies baked from a hebrew recipe :P
rindolf	What does it mean in Zuuish?
Zuu	it's hard to really say something in Zuuish... al you can really do is say something equivalent to "COOKIES!!"
Zuu	or "YAY CAKE!"
Zuu	basically, you can only express excitement over different kinds of cakes :P
rindolf	Zuu: do Zuus eat anything except cakes or cookies?
Zuu	There was this one time...
Zuu	wait.. no. That was someone else.

rindolf	Chekov: I disagere with what ESR says in TAOUP that you shouldn't apply factor optimisations. I think they can make a very large difference.
rindolf	Chekov: he seems to imply you should wait until computers are fast enough.
rindolf	Problem is people don't want to upgrade and if a competing program (maybe a fork ) is much faster, then some of them will switch.
rindolf	Programs being speedy is one thing that makes me happy.
rindolf	I love all the work the KDE people did in making KDE-4.6.0 fast.
vanguard	rindolf: awesome blog link!
rindolf	And I enjoy the fact that Pidgin is much faster than Kopete (and also less buggy).
rindolf	I've used Kopete for far too long.
osoleve	rindolf: switch to Irssi and Bitlbee! :D
rindolf	vanguard: yes.
rindolf	vanguard: though they failed on Google Wave.
rindolf	osoleve: nah, I like Pidgin.
rindolf	osoleve: it's fast enough for me.
rindolf	osoleve: and I also prefer XChat.
osoleve	but is it nerdy enough?
rindolf	osoleve: I'm not trying to be a Ubergeek.
rindolf	osoleve: real men use Xmonad!
vanguard	Hey, it is not Uber but Über ... :D
rindolf	real programmers use butterflies.
Chekov	real programmers are Tao
osoleve	real programmers flip bits by hand
Chekov	real programmers speak assembly
rindolf	Chuck Norris is a real programmer who implements the most optimised machines for solving a problem out of physical atoms.
vanguard	real programmers use a nice editor and a programming language and get done in less than O(N!)

* hackerhackingcan	(~hackingca@117.202.19.189) has joined ##programming
hackerhackingcan	Hi friends
hackerhackingcan	I am also new to hacking
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: hi.
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: I hope you mean software development - not computer intrusion.
hackerhackingcan	what means intrusion?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: it means breaking into other people's systems.
hackerhackingcan	I want to hack the internet websites like google and facebook
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: hack?
hackerhackingcan	can you help please?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: hack into?
hackerhackingcan	yes I am new but I will try and learn
hackerhackingcan	but can you help me rindolf?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: we won't help you break into systems.
pkkm	wut? hack into google?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: with what?
hackerhackingcan	hack into facebook google and internet
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: we build systems - not break them.
hackerhackingcan	please?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/script-kiddie.html
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: if you want to learn how to program, we can help you.
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: but trying to break into computer systems will only get you in trouble.
hackerhackingcan	I can do programming in html
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: HTML is not a programming language.
hackerhackingcan	is that enough for hacking?
vinleod	hackerhackingcan: There's no such things as programming in HTML.
hackerhackingcan	I can also do hacks in cmd
vinleod	Ah, a script kiddie.
hackerhackingcan	what you mean by scrpt kiddie?
hackerhackingcan	ok now I know
hackerhackingcan	you all dont want other people to know about hacking
hackerhackingcan	so you say like this
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie
hackerhackingcan	so you abused me by calling me script kiddie?
hackerhackingcan	When I become a good hacker I will hack you also
vinleod	hackerhackingcan: Good luck with that. bye bye.
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: OK, you have been warned.
hackerhackingcan	why warn?
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: try hacking into the IP address 127.0.0.1
vinleod	hackerhackingcan: I bet you can't log into that computer and delete all of its files.
luke_c	hackerhackingscan: After that, try to DDOS 192.168.1.1
hackerhackingcan	is 127.0.0.1 your ip?
Ethelim	why'd you give him my iP ffs?
Ethelim	don't try it, you wouldn't get in anyway. I have it locked down tightly
vinleod	hackerhackingcan: So, here's the situation. We don't condone illegal activity. We don't suggest that people attempt illegal activity. We don't like people who do illegal activity. We a programmers. We like to write programs. We like to solve interesting problems. We like to solve interesting puzzles.
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: if you haven't noticed, I've become op.
rindolf	hackerhackingcan: and I can /kick you and /kickban you.
vinleod	hackerhackingcan: Now, if you'd like be a good, productive member of society and learn to program, we can help with that, but we won't spoon feed you either.
hackerhackingcan	hahah whose is this ip 192.168.1.1? Your password is admin haha
Ethelim	is he for real?
vinleod	Ethelim: I doubt it.
hackerhackingcan	192.168.1.1 I am changing your password then call me kid
rindolf	Ethelim: he seems like a bad troll.
rindolf	But an amusing one.
jrslepak	rindolf: depends on how many times you've heard the joke in the recent past
Ethelim	dude, you wouldn't get in there. And even if you did all you'd be able to do is reset the guy's connection
hackerhackingcan	I will reset it
* Ethelim	waits for "someone's" closed connection
mst	"Quit: Leaving"
vinleod	I saw that coming a mile away/
JabbaWokiee	lol
mst	not an actual fell-off-the-internet
mst	reasonable exit though
mst	oh, and now he's back with a new nick

oilio	so what the point of hashes, can't we just use void pointers to key/val ?
rindolf	oilio: hashes as in hash tables?
oilio	yes
rindolf	oilio: OK.
rindolf	oilio: they are one way to efficiently implement the dictionary Abstract Data Type (ADT).
rindolf	oilio: a hash table can store more than one key , value pair.
oilio	yeah, I read about it in the wikipedia
rindolf	oilio: and you can lookup a value based on a key efficiently.
arubin	Linear search is good enough for everyone.
oilio	indolf: what if the hole table wont fit in the memory?
oilio	RAM
arubin	Swap.
arubin	Amazon S3.
imlearningyacc	well if no ram and no swap no allocation
arubin	We have the whole Internet for our tables.
imlearningyacc	well
diminoten	ask reddit how that worked out
arubin	And remember, /dev/null is web-scale.
imlearningyacc	yea, I store all my data in /dev/null
rindolf	oilio: then you'll need to use a more sophisticated (and slower) data structure that can offload to disk.
arubin	It is really fast.
arubin	I use the Boost libraries for /dev/null too.
arubin	And I use async writes to /dev/null.
rindolf	arubin: heh.
diminoten	don't want to get into resource contention when using /dev/null
* rindolf	uses /dev/null for backups.
diminoten	only so much null to go around

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